Comments on: New Goal Pad Regulations for 2010-2011 Complex and May Make Little Difference http://ingoalmag.com/gear/new-goal-pad-regulations-for-2010-2011-complex-and-may-make-little-difference/ Goalie News, photos, info, tips, techniques by Goaltenders for Goaltenders Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:50:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jay Boogeyman http://ingoalmag.com/gear/new-goal-pad-regulations-for-2010-2011-complex-and-may-make-little-difference/#comment-5069 Jay Boogeyman Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:03:33 +0000 http://ingoalmag.com/?p=4269#comment-5069 The rule seems to how one would get fitted for a goal pad. As being 5'8 myself, i went through a few sizes of my own, 30s, 34s, and at last found 32 to be PERFECT. 34 pads on a 5'8 goalies like myself, and the David, John Vanbiesbrouck, and a Very Few others are too big. I for one are not into the rules for the goalie pads, I say make the ice a bit bigger. Make the net a few inches bigger, little things around the goaltender, would in fact open up the game. Why does everything come down to the goalies? When will it stop? What next take away the stick and the blocker from the goalies, and just have catching gloves on both hands? Or make the leg pads to the point where they look like shingaurds? I say stop trying to over think what the goalie is wearing, its the skill level, not the pads, that stops the puck.... The rule seems to how one would get fitted for a goal pad. As being 5’8 myself, i went through a few sizes of my own, 30s, 34s, and at last found 32 to be PERFECT. 34 pads on a 5’8 goalies like myself, and the David, John Vanbiesbrouck, and a Very Few others are too big. I for one are not into the rules for the goalie pads, I say make the ice a bit bigger. Make the net a few inches bigger, little things around the goaltender, would in fact open up the game. Why does everything come down to the goalies? When will it stop? What next take away the stick and the blocker from the goalies, and just have catching gloves on both hands? Or make the leg pads to the point where they look like shingaurds? I say stop trying to over think what the goalie is wearing, its the skill level, not the pads, that stops the puck….

]]> By: Goalieman82 http://ingoalmag.com/gear/new-goal-pad-regulations-for-2010-2011-complex-and-may-make-little-difference/#comment-3625 Goalieman82 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 21:08:08 +0000 http://ingoalmag.com/?p=4269#comment-3625 Goalies should just wear the pads that fit. I'm 5'8" and my pad is a 35. I couldn't imagine wearing a 38" pad. People should wear what's comperable to their size not bigger or smaller. To small they get injured too big and they look like a living sofa! You wouldn't wear a skate that's too big for your feet would you? Goalies should just wear the pads that fit. I’m 5’8″ and my pad is a 35. I couldn’t imagine wearing a 38″ pad. People should wear what’s comperable to their size not bigger or smaller. To small they get injured too big and they look like a living sofa! You wouldn’t wear a skate that’s too big for your feet would you?

]]> By: steve http://ingoalmag.com/gear/new-goal-pad-regulations-for-2010-2011-complex-and-may-make-little-difference/#comment-2563 steve Wed, 08 Sep 2010 03:27:44 +0000 http://ingoalmag.com/?p=4269#comment-2563 So if they start fitting to proportion for all goalies,that means you wont see any goalies under 6'2" in the NHL anymore. In baseball, does a player that's 5'9" have to use a shorter bat than a player that's 6'3"? Make a standard max size and if a shorter goalie can still move fast in that max size then good for him. NHL teams will just pick bigger goalies to get around the system. So if they start fitting to proportion for all goalies,that means you wont see any goalies under 6’2″ in the NHL anymore. In baseball, does a player that’s 5’9″ have to use a shorter bat than a player that’s 6’3″? Make a standard max size and if a shorter goalie can still move fast in that max size then good for him. NHL teams will just pick bigger goalies to get around the system.

]]> By: Carol http://ingoalmag.com/gear/new-goal-pad-regulations-for-2010-2011-complex-and-may-make-little-difference/#comment-2541 Carol Thu, 02 Sep 2010 01:03:18 +0000 http://ingoalmag.com/?p=4269#comment-2541 I don't know enough about pads (since I'm not a goalie) to know how this would affect anything. But I do know as a new fan to hockey, I don't mind the low scoring games. If I wanted a bunch of scoring, I'd watch the NBA. I don’t know enough about pads (since I’m not a goalie) to know how this would affect anything. But I do know as a new fan to hockey, I don’t mind the low scoring games. If I wanted a bunch of scoring, I’d watch the NBA.

]]> By: James http://ingoalmag.com/gear/new-goal-pad-regulations-for-2010-2011-complex-and-may-make-little-difference/#comment-2507 James Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:41:30 +0000 http://ingoalmag.com/?p=4269#comment-2507 This rule seems to be how one would get fitted for a goal pad. Besides oversized goal pads aren't actually an advantage, they have a negative impact on skating and side to side movement. This rule seems to be how one would get fitted for a goal pad. Besides oversized goal pads aren’t actually an advantage, they have a negative impact on skating and side to side movement.

]]> By: Chris http://ingoalmag.com/gear/new-goal-pad-regulations-for-2010-2011-complex-and-may-make-little-difference/#comment-2445 Chris Wed, 30 Jun 2010 22:28:44 +0000 http://ingoalmag.com/?p=4269#comment-2445 Dave, Here is an article I wrote about the subject. I disagree with a lot of your points, but you do put them out in a thoughtful manner. I'll get to those in a bit, but lets start with my article on why change is needed. Chris http://www.nightmareonhelmstreet.com/2010-articles/june/2011-goaltending-equipment-changes.html Dave,

Here is an article I wrote about the subject. I disagree with a lot of your points, but you do put them out in a thoughtful manner. I’ll get to those in a bit, but lets start with my article on why change is needed.

Chris

http://www.nightmareonhelmstreet.com/2010-articles/june/2011-goaltending-equipment-changes.html

]]> By: David Hutchison http://ingoalmag.com/gear/new-goal-pad-regulations-for-2010-2011-complex-and-may-make-little-difference/#comment-2427 David Hutchison Thu, 27 May 2010 04:06:08 +0000 http://ingoalmag.com/?p=4269#comment-2427 Love a guy with an opinion! Thanks for adding yours. Without going into the whole argument I'll just say a few things: My St. Louis comparison is completely valid. Yes, there is a restriction on stick length - but is is absolute, not relative to his height. So, I am only arguing that goalies should also have an absolute limit. As to "midgets" looking for advantages - they can use the same length stick as Marty St. Louis - but in goal they would have tiny pads. Mind you, they wouldn't want 34" pads either, but should they not be permitted to wear them as big as they can athletically handle? For what it's worth I might be a beer leaguer but I wore the very same pads Dryden used back in the day (albeit much shorter!) and they are still in my house. They are wider than modern pads and the width had nothing to do with protection. Which isn't to say that today's gear isn't purposefully larger! You also can't shut down a "beer league" opinion because you can name some former pros with a different opinion. If I name other ex-pros with a different opinion does that make for an argument? Hardly....base it on facts, not the stature of other people who share your opinion. I'm all for controlling things - all I'm saying is control it the same for all goalies. Absolute limits are fine. Love a guy with an opinion! Thanks for adding yours.

Without going into the whole argument I’ll just say a few things: My St. Louis comparison is completely valid. Yes, there is a restriction on stick length – but is is absolute, not relative to his height. So, I am only arguing that goalies should also have an absolute limit. As to “midgets” looking for advantages – they can use the same length stick as Marty St. Louis – but in goal they would have tiny pads. Mind you, they wouldn’t want 34″ pads either, but should they not be permitted to wear them as big as they can athletically handle?

For what it’s worth I might be a beer leaguer but I wore the very same pads Dryden used back in the day (albeit much shorter!) and they are still in my house. They are wider than modern pads and the width had nothing to do with protection. Which isn’t to say that today’s gear isn’t purposefully larger!

You also can’t shut down a “beer league” opinion because you can name some former pros with a different opinion. If I name other ex-pros with a different opinion does that make for an argument? Hardly….base it on facts, not the stature of other people who share your opinion.

I’m all for controlling things – all I’m saying is control it the same for all goalies. Absolute limits are fine.

]]> By: Hank http://ingoalmag.com/gear/new-goal-pad-regulations-for-2010-2011-complex-and-may-make-little-difference/#comment-2426 Hank Wed, 26 May 2010 19:53:11 +0000 http://ingoalmag.com/?p=4269#comment-2426 Mr.Hutchison, this article is ridiculous. But I'm glad you admit that goalies use their equipment for stopping pucks and not protection. You bring up the 1920's but in that era, that's precisely what equipment was used for - protection. And that's how it was from the game's inception until approximately 1997. Once Garth Snow discovered sofa cushions, the goaltending position changed forever. Pads were now used to block the net. That has to stop and I'm glad the NHL is doing what it can to take back the game. You bring up Marty St.Louis having to use a shorter stick. That's an asinine comparison. First, there IS A RESTRICTION on length of sticks. Secondly, Marty isn't allowed to wear stilts or put on twice the body armor to protect his smaller frame. Just like smaller goalies, smaller skaters have to deal with a physical disadvantage in size and mass. Why should goalies be any different? It would be no different if some woman or midgets cried foul so the NHL was forced to give them equipment advantages so they could play in the NHL. Or how is it fair that Manny Legace can wear goalie pads that are 80% of the length of his leg but Luongo, using the same pads, is only allowed to cover 60% of his? Shouldn't he be allowed to wear 42" pads then? Rules have swung so far into favor with goalies that it's nearly destroyed the entertainment value of the game. Like the great Ken Dryden once said, the larger equipment has changed the psychological battle between goalie and shooter. For decades the shooter saw lots of daylight, now there is none. And speaking of Ken Dryden, he, along with fellow greats such as Patrick Roy and Marty Brodeur (not to mention Kelly Hrudey, Garth Snow and Brian Hayward among many), has stated that the goalie equipment is out of control. So excuse me if I don't agree with a beer league goalie over guys who have their names on Cups and reside in the Hall of Fame. I'll take their word for it. Unlike current goalies, they're livelihood doesn't depend on a low GAA or Save % so they're future worth doesn't bias their opinion. Goalie equipment must be shrunk. Mr.Hutchison, this article is ridiculous. But I’m glad you admit that goalies use their equipment for stopping pucks and not protection. You bring up the 1920′s but in that era, that’s precisely what equipment was used for – protection. And that’s how it was from the game’s inception until approximately 1997.
Once Garth Snow discovered sofa cushions, the goaltending position changed forever. Pads were now used to block the net.
That has to stop and I’m glad the NHL is doing what it can to take back the game.
You bring up Marty St.Louis having to use a shorter stick. That’s an asinine comparison. First, there IS A RESTRICTION on length of sticks.
Secondly, Marty isn’t allowed to wear stilts or put on twice the body armor to protect his smaller frame.
Just like smaller goalies, smaller skaters have to deal with a physical disadvantage in size and mass. Why should goalies be any different?
It would be no different if some woman or midgets cried foul so the NHL was forced to give them equipment advantages so they could play in the NHL.
Or how is it fair that Manny Legace can wear goalie pads that are 80% of the length of his leg but Luongo, using the same pads, is only allowed to cover 60% of his? Shouldn’t he be allowed to wear 42″ pads then?
Rules have swung so far into favor with goalies that it’s nearly destroyed the entertainment value of the game.
Like the great Ken Dryden once said, the larger equipment has changed the psychological battle between goalie and shooter. For decades the shooter saw lots of daylight, now there is none.
And speaking of Ken Dryden, he, along with fellow greats such as Patrick Roy and Marty Brodeur (not to mention Kelly Hrudey, Garth Snow and Brian Hayward among many), has stated that the goalie equipment is out of control.
So excuse me if I don’t agree with a beer league goalie over guys who have their names on Cups and reside in the Hall of Fame.
I’ll take their word for it. Unlike current goalies, they’re livelihood doesn’t depend on a low GAA or Save % so they’re future worth doesn’t bias their opinion.
Goalie equipment must be shrunk.

]]> By: Sara http://ingoalmag.com/gear/new-goal-pad-regulations-for-2010-2011-complex-and-may-make-little-difference/#comment-1690 Sara Tue, 22 Dec 2009 07:07:53 +0000 http://ingoalmag.com/?p=4269#comment-1690 I agree, the game was/is fine without all this tinkering. I agree, the game was/is fine without all this tinkering.

]]> By: Broice http://ingoalmag.com/gear/new-goal-pad-regulations-for-2010-2011-complex-and-may-make-little-difference/#comment-1689 Broice Tue, 22 Dec 2009 06:44:07 +0000 http://ingoalmag.com/?p=4269#comment-1689 All this talk about scoring is ridiculous, the net should be 6' X 4' and pads should not be altered anymore. If anything, pads should go back to 12", gloves and blockers should be kept the same. The only thing I could agree with is the shoulder area of chest protectors getting more form fitting for all netminders. Though if that was done all players should go back to wood sticks so that shots will be less likely to "hurt" netminders in the collar area. Wood sticks would also be a good idea because players may start to try to pick corners more than just blow it by the netminder, which I think is much harder to stop. I measured myself and came up with about a 32" pad I normally like a 34" pad and believe me it in no way totally covers the 5 hole. When I moved to a 34" pad I was wearing a 30" before and my knees were getting a beating, I can only assume that about half the shots from before would get through and I could look forward to being crippled by the time I'm 30. The NHL is averaging over 5 goals a game that means for every 1-0 game there needs to be an 11 goal game. Hockey should be around a 5-6 goal game... 3-2, is a good even game, enough goals and enough stops. Plus who the heck wants to see aimless goals drift through goalies legs or around (if the make the nets bigger also) goalies, that is not excitement. Back and forth play, shots, big saves, and action is exciting not games that have cheap goals! All this talk about scoring is ridiculous, the net should be 6′ X 4′ and pads should not be altered anymore. If anything, pads should go back to 12″, gloves and blockers should be kept the same. The only thing I could agree with is the shoulder area of chest protectors getting more form fitting for all netminders. Though if that was done all players should go back to wood sticks so that shots will be less likely to “hurt” netminders in the collar area. Wood sticks would also be a good idea because players may start to try to pick corners more than just blow it by the netminder, which I think is much harder to stop.

I measured myself and came up with about a 32″ pad I normally like a 34″ pad and believe me it in no way totally covers the 5 hole. When I moved to a 34″ pad I was wearing a 30″ before and my knees were getting a beating, I can only assume that about half the shots from before would get through and I could look forward to being crippled by the time I’m 30.

The NHL is averaging over 5 goals a game that means for every 1-0 game there needs to be an 11 goal game. Hockey should be around a 5-6 goal game… 3-2, is a good even game, enough goals and enough stops. Plus who the heck wants to see aimless goals drift through goalies legs or around (if the make the nets bigger also) goalies, that is not excitement. Back and forth play, shots, big saves, and action is exciting not games that have cheap goals!

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