InGoal Radio Episode 318 with Joey and Brian Daccord

Intro

They're on their feet. They're running around over at the Hockey Shop Source for Sports Langley at hockeyshop.com presenting InGoal Radio Podcast, Millard. David Hutchison and Kevin Woodley were all back together. We're rocking and rolling.

This is kind of the last episode before things explode in all of our worlds. There's leagues going, but as of early September, we got rookie camps. We got all kinds of stuff happening at the National Hockey League in the pro level. So it's this is the calm before the storm, Woody.

Not at the hockey shop. It is the storm already. Let me tell you. You talked about, I know you're just kidding around about them running around, but, oh my goodness. Talk about being run off your feet seven day weeks.

They are going full bore right now over at the Hockey Shop Source for Sports. And so I'll just get their reading out of the way here because they have all the expertise. The reason they are so packed, the reason they are jammed, the reason they are running off their feet is because they have so much great stuff. They've got the latest and the greatest. I was there recording this week and the CCM Vizon stick came in.

So that's gonna be on the shelf soon as soon as they're allowed to publicly re release it. If it's not already, they've got all kinds of new gear. They've got all kinds of old gear on sale or past editions on sale. And best of all, it comes with the expertise of knowing what fits your game. Tell them how you play.

Tell them how you like your gear to feel. They will find what works best for you at the price point that is best suited for your level of play. It's the expertise that comes with shopping at The Hockey Shop Source for Sports or thehockeyshop.com.

Hutch, were you there on that recording day?

You know, I actually wasn't. For one of the first times in a very long time, Woody, took the camera and rode solo. So sorry to miss.

Were you?

He wasn't sorry. He wasn't sorry about the 5AM wake up or 04:30AM wake up he normally has to get on the ferry to come over. That that he wasn't sorry about.

I'll I'll give you that. I'll give you that. It was definitely nice to have a little sleep in while Woody was working.

Yeah. Woody Woody Woody didn't love the early morning wake up that morning himself because he had gotten off a flight late the night before, but we made it work. We met Cam. Cam's a pro. We made it work.

Hutch, what's the place that you end up gravitating to an area over at the hockey shop when you're in there on your recording days and you got a couple minutes while Woody's doing whatever Woody does?

Yeah. It's funny. Actually, while while they're doing the episodes, I'm responsible for three cameras and sound and so on. And I get those all up and there's some days when I can just walk away from the tripods confident everything is going well. So, yeah, there's there's a a free zone down where all the chesties are, where all the pants are.

You can get access to some of the gloves. And and and I'll be honest and not actually meaning to set up our feature interview today, but I loved it down there. They've got all the youth gear for the really small kids and that just brings back some fantastic memories of all those mornings on the ice together with our with, our son.

To promote the, feature interview brought to you by NHL Sense Arena and, Piggy's back nicely off of our, parent segment this week at Stop It Goaltending U, the app, and we've got the Daccords together.

We do. We we thought about actually taking a piece of this and pulling it out and making it a future parent segment, but it all just sort of flowed together. It was all about the shared experience of, in this case, father and son, but I'm sure it will resonate with fathers and daughters, mothers and daughters, mothers and sons. Everybody who's got sort of that shared experience of hockey and goaltending, I think this is gonna resonate with. I won't tease too much of what comes from the interview, but I will just say Joey shares a story that Brian said has never been told before.

A fantastic sort of intimate moment between father and son to the point that I actually stopped and I said, you guys sure you really wanna share this on the show? And nope, Joey was cool with sharing it. So bit of a heart wrenching moment. Really cool to hear. You can all look forward to that, but there were also several fantastic bits in that piece that reminded me of all those great early morning experiences on the ice with my son.

And InGoal has a great relationship with Stop It Goaltending U, the app, with Brian Daccord. But, is there some news regarding Brian that's just fully public now?

Yeah. There is, actually. And I didn't say anything about it during the interview because you just never quite know. We get told lots of things well in advance of public releases and teams saying things. And Brian had told us a little while ago that this was in the pipe, but he is now officially the director of goaltending scouting and development for the Detroit Red Wings.

So here's a guy with incredible experience around the National Hockey League. Joey's mentioned before that, when he first started playing the game, his father was a goaltending coach in in Boston with the Bruins. He's got time in Toronto as a scout. He's got time with the Arizona Coyotes as a director of goaltending. Just so much experience, so much he's able to share with his son that comes out in the interview, and we're really excited for Brian in this new role with the Red Wings.

Brian's got his fingers and feet and, eyes on everything, when it comes to the world goaltending. And the the conversation that takes place between Hutch and Brian and Joey is fascinating because it is father son having a conversation, not NHL goalie and NHL goalie coach. It it does resonate, with you how much this is just dad and kid talking.

Oh, absolutely. It could it's it's exactly what it was. I mean, you just feel that moment together. I felt so privileged to be part of it because we actually did the interview on their back deck overlooking Boston in the distance. And so so for that reason, as you're listening, you may hear the audio go off just a little bit.

It got windy every now and then and and caused a few problems for us. But, yeah, it just felt like this really cool moment. The two of them on the back deck together. I know they were waiting for a family dinner to happen as soon as we were done the interview. And just the thought that they they still, with Joey at this age, with that contract secured for his long term future, he's still home every summer training with dad, just reliving that experience that, we're all so fortunate to enjoy with our kids.

Well, so this is why we needed Hutch to do the interview. Not only because he is the goalie parent in the group and it was perfect and he did such an incredible job with it, but because if I had been doing the interview, there's no way they would have been done even in time for dessert.

We may have took a little barb at Woody there near the end.

I heard it. I heard it. Don't worry. It's funny because it's true.

Gear

One more question gets you the great answers. That's that's the rule. That's the new T shirt. The Gear Segment brought to you by The Hockey Shop Source for Sports Langley at hockeyshop.com. We're going to focus on true this week and a lower price point.

Yeah. And we've been doing this a lot lately because this is the time of year when, you know, like, if you're looking for custom gear, good luck. You're not getting it in time for the season. There's wait lists. And so it's a perfect time.

This is the time of year where if you need new gear, you're buying off the rack. And there's no better place than the Hockey Shop Source for Sports because of all that selection I just mentioned. We talked about the 30,000 square foot facility that they're in. They also have now two warehouses required to store all their other inventory. They are huge.

How does that help you? It means they have gear like this. We're gonna talk about True's lower price point options that you can go in. And boy, they've they've done a nice job of using some of their retro lines and graphics to anchor these lower price points. So really making them pop on the shelves and pop on your legs.

They're a great look. And Cam's gonna get into it with us and explain what you get and what you don't get out of these lower price point pads and gloves from True. What you definitely get is a, the good looks I just talked about, but b, the chance to go in there and have multiple sizes and multiple colors and multiple options that you can walk out with on the same day as opposed to, oh, I've got a custom order of my gear and it's gonna be Christmas by the time it arrives, and I'm not sure that I'm gonna be able to wear it for half a season. So great options at the Hockey Shop. Cam walks us through the specifics of this one today.

Vintage graphics, Le Fave pads, gloves, blockers, off the rack in store available now for less. Cam, what exactly am I looking at here?

The l ninety five seven x pad.

Welcome back to The Hockey Shop Source for Sports where we're gonna go over this particular model from True as Cam just described, and I guess first off, I teased it as being cheaper. This is their third price point

[crosstalk] for True. Which we consider the mid for

but equivalent pricing wise to most brands second price point? Correct. Okay. So walk me through what this l 95 is based off of Yes. At the highest level, what you get and what you don't get compared to that highest level for what?

About half the price?

About half the price. There we go. So based off of the Hazrdus line, what you see here, so what would be considered to be the stiffest line of pads, this pad itself 100% is the 7X4 Hazrdus pad. Okay. Just to be super clear, we do have obviously our L95 vintage style graphic and a slightly different slide surface, which we'll get into here in a second.

So the pad itself, just to kind of reiterate some of the key points of this guy, just to do a quick overview. So again, stiff overall construction. Still

well, I was gonna say it's flexible boot, but not really. It's stiff right down there. It's there. It's just it takes a little bit of a breaking in. So continue with the boot, steeper angle than compared to what would be their catalyst line of pads.

So that will kick the pad up a little bit higher on your leg. So keep that in note in terms of for sizing purposes. We do find that this pit's a little bit bigger versus because of that steeper boot angle. Backing. We still have our familiar true pad.

We still have our FRS system. Nice, easily adjustable open leg channel. You can definitely tighten it up more based off of that adjustment from that FRS system. Still open knee cradle carved out. Seen this before from them.

Again, no different there. Adjustable outer knee wing. If you want to take it off, have it. Great. Not have it.

Take it off. Weave slide surface. So before we had seen their version of like, we'll call it, you know, Speedskin, you know, their kind of idea. So their Fast Glide material, which worked well in certain situations, but definitely not all. So gear updated.

It's just got your standard weave, tried to test it weave, seen it before, see it all the way up to the NHL, makes that nice sound when you go to go slide. Nice hard slide surface all the way throughout to give you nice support in the butterfly and also help you improve that slide. We see the thinner profile in the thigh rise at the top. You see it kind

of taper right at the very top edge. Do these come stock plus two?

Yes. Every pad will be a plus two. Okay. Including intermediate, which this is also available.

Okay. So the sliding surface compared to the pro level, that's they they have a new sliding surface of the pro level. This is not that obvious.

This is not Diamond Glide. That's a little bit different. So, again, we're gonna talk about things that you're not gonna get when you move to this middle price point. Diamond Glide's gonna be one of them. We still get weave, which Yes.

Traditionally has slid better. The the difference brands look for other materials.

Yes. There you go.

Slight, like, durability compared to weave. Like, weaves always slid well, but there were questions about durability.

[crosstalk] Yes. Potentially long term durability, sliding, you know, in terms of, like, rough ice versus soft ice, things like that. But that said, it kinda gives a consistent baseline for the pad versus what it had before. What are you not getting other than that sliding surface in this compared to, you know, a

pro level pad that cost twice as much?

As usual, we talk about the core and also where it's made. So obviously, you know, we're not having a hand built by Lefeuve pad here versus, you know, a PX4, you know, L95 graphic, that kind of style. So okay, offshore pad, not using the exact same form. So they do have some proprietary rebound foams that they are using in those higher levels. You're not gonna get that same level of rebound off of this pad versus, you know, that pro level pad.

Also longevity of the core itself in theory, yes, this is going to soften up a little bit quicker than you know what you would get obviously with that pro level pad. Gloves, blockers? Yes. $5.90? Standard.

[crosstalk] A little bit different here? Yes. Skate lace. I want to say versus nylon in between. Yeah.

The standard one off the wall that you would normally find in the 7x4 and even the 7x3. I think chews down a bit better at the consistency level of the glove. I just find that these feel a lot better off of the shelf. Again, going be your mid price point glove. You're not expecting pro padding when you're getting into this.

That's going be some of your major differences. The internals though do feel really rich. I think for the value of the glove, you're getting something that's quite good quality For sure. To be honest, from a closure standpoint, I don't know how long this has been open and closed off the Just got it from the back. Just got it from the back.

That's pretty good. To be honest, that's actually probably a little easier than some of the pro level stuff earlier in there in that they were making. For sure. So really hit their stride when it's coming to the consistency level of the gloves. Moving on to the blocker. Nice and simple.

For sure. So really hit their stride when it's coming to the consistency level of the gloves. Moving on to the blocker. Nice and simple.

It's there based off their six fifteen design, so bindingless. Nice open cuff, help you get that presentation forward. Feels like your standard Lefeuve blocker. Okay. So really sharp looking graphics.

Yes. A Hazrdus base pad. Correct. Five ninety break. Six fifteen you call that? Six fifteen blocker.

Binding less blocker. Half the price roughly of what you pay for the pro level gear. Available in intermediate. They have it in store now. If people have any questions, Cam, 5 what's

604-589-8299 or 1-800-567-7790. I have

one more question. Ballpark, who's this for? Like, you can wear this right up to

And it really depends. You know, growing kid, going through, you know, your majors, you know, things like that, we're not quite ready for a pro level pad. You know, your recreational hockey player who's looking to look pretty slick, you know. I was just gonna say, this is style for the beer leagues. You know, this can encompass a lot.

You know, if you're gonna be on the ice, you know, six times a week, this probably isn't the product for you. You're gonna be looking for something a little bit better, but that said, know, anything underneath that, you know, definitely worth a shot.

Alright, there you go. L957x. If you got any questions, give Cam and his crew a call. Check it out at the Hockey Shop.

The interesting thing about the different levels of price points is you can mix and match that a little bit, right?

You can. Yeah. For sure. Especially if, like, from a graphic standpoint, you know, that those vintage looks of the l 95, they also have an l 87 version that we're gonna get into in the coming weeks. We've got both.

You could put a plain white. Like, if you wanted if you're like, hey. Like, pads are great. I need it now. They look fantastic, but I need a glove.

Like, I I want a pro glove or I want a pro blocker because I want more pop off it. You could mix and match that for sure. Plain colors, plain white, you could add a little pad skins to it to try and match what's going on with with the graphics below. But, yeah, you could absolutely get away with that. Nothing wrong with little mix and match.

Lean into it and use it to your advantage. If you're at a level where you don't need something that's going to be elite protection in your pads, but you want that glove, then, yeah, make sure that it it works for you and you've got the necessary protection and borrow from one side and and put it in the other and and make it happen. Hutch, busy things happening all at InGoal regarding just different relationships across the country.

Absolutely. Everybody knows we've got a lot of partner goalie schools that provide InGoal memberships for their students. We have just reestablished our relationship or renewed our relationship with the Oakville Rangers Association in Toronto. Wanna welcome them back on board. All their goaltenders and one coach on every team, became InGoal members the last couple of years, and we're gonna carry that on this year.

So thank you to them for their support of InGoal and and seeing us as an anchor in what they're doing in their strong goalie development program there. I've got another couple associations coming on board. I've had probably a dozen meetings in the last week and several more coming up. So if you're a goalie with an association or a parent, you might wanna check-in and see if they support InGoal memberships for, for your goaltender. If you are a goalie coach, we have something special along those lines we would love to share with you.

It is much more than an InGoal membership. We've got a whole suite of supports that we are adding in for associations to help the parents, to help the coaches, to ensure you're getting engaged with the material. You've got something all the time to be using to help you become a better goaltender. Worked really hard at this program and would love to share it with people. And especially if you, happen to work in development with an association, if you're a coach helping goalie development with a with a local association, please reach out to me, david@ingoalmag.com.

And I would love to have a chat with you.

Because how often do we hear? Like, how often do we hear, hey, like, they're not doing anything for the goalies. The goalies are left behind. There's no development plan. And I know a lot of associations are trying to do more than that, but we're gonna give you an opportunity to prove to your goaltenders that you are thinking of them, that you are coming up with a resource as opposed to and I know this happens a lot.

It's like, hey, we've got extra money for the goalies. What do you wanna do as a parent? I would suggest this is there's no better value than this in terms of giving you weekly content that will help your goaltender get better as part of your association fees. So, hit us up, hit Hutch up. There's lots of great things coming.

What's the email, again, Hutch?

David@InGoalmag.com or just about any other email address you've heard read on this show comes to my inbox. So you just send me a note.

And that can be the goaltender, that can be the goalie's parent, to reach out, or somebody from the association to get the ball rolling.

Absolutely. We can get the ball rolling especially quick if it's an association or a goalie coach, but I love talking to everybody, so send us notes.

Except for me. He's screening my calls.

Well, I just don't well, I don't talk to Woody. I just listen.

Yeah. Fair. Very one-sided. Just the voice mail is the same thing as having a conversation with them.

Oh. You're listening. That hurt a little bit.

Yeah. Really. Woody Woody, I'll just listen to this later. You keep going.

Our NHL Sense Arena feature interview with the is coming up, but first, a Vizual Edge. And we've got our ProReads segment, Vizual Edge presenting that side of it to where we get to really lean into NHL goaltenders and professional that matters.

Well, speaking of the Detroit Red Wings and Brian Daccord becoming the director of goaltending there, this week's Vizual Edge features his goaltender for the year, one of his goaltenders for the year, Cam Talbot. And it's a it's a great look at screens and the importance of understanding team systems and how your guys execute them to give yourself an advantage when picking a side behind a screen. And so Cam walks us through what is pretty much a common typical NHL system in terms of how, you know, they would prefer players to be in certain lanes and how that allows you to react in a different lane as a goaltender when it comes to finding a sight line. But this one's great because it actually goes through a couple different things. He goes through a static screen, he goes through a flash screen, and he walks you through the details he's looking for to make sure he has better vision on the puck.

The other thing that Cam happens to tell us, because he is a Vizual Edge user as part of this, is how some of these saves he feels he's making more of specifically because of his use of Vizual Edge, which is a both a visual training tool and a cognitive training tool. Something that Cam started using late in his career and credits for all the all star appearances over the last five years after starting in the league without them. So, that's a great reminder that if you're a InGoal member, you can save on a Vizual Edge subscription. We talked about visual and vision training. As Jordan Binnington told us, it also helps preparation cognitively.

He uses the game day drills, his quotes, every game before heading to the rink. It's a combination of recognition, reaction, and focus that activates my brain and eyes to feel ready for what's to come. And, of course, you don't have to be an InGoal subscriber. You can use the code, all caps, I n g o a l, InGoal, to get 10% off Vizual Edge monthly and annual subscriptions. But if you are an InGoal member, it's 20% off.

So you will more than save the cost of a subscription to InGoal if you're thinking of Vizual Edge. Just go to our ProReads as a member and you will get the 20% off code. So Vizual Edge and ProReads both about helping you see and read the game better.

You know, NHL Sense Arena, I would understand helping you get better at screens and traffic, but the visual edge part, I I wouldn't have leaned into as much. It's it's great that that that is an advantage coming to you.

Well, Cam's told us a couple times that, like, he talks about this. And and it's funny because Joey, who is a Sense Arena user, talks about Sense Arena saves. Like, that was a Sense Arena save. And Cam's talked about that with us as well, and he does in this week's ProReads. Like, the ability, the information you're looking for, you train your eyes and your brain to find it quicker.

The information you need to pick up on, we hear from goalies all the time, the the blade angle, the hands, all those things you're trying to see, whether it's converging on the puck or diverging to look out and see where the guy's shoulders are, where his head's looking, things like that. Vizual Edge trains them all. So, it's one of those stones that the best tend not to leave unturned so that you can see the game better. And and, yeah, it's it's one that helps. Like I said, you got a guy at the top level, a guy like Binnington has won four nations, guy like Cam who's an NHL all star, and they talk about helping get better with it.

It's amazing how much they look at.

That's what ProReads is all about. Right? Like, being able to see all those details. I remember Hutch, do you remember the first time we did it with Carey Price? The first we were in space?

Absolutely. We were experimenting with ProReads. It was an idea I had in my head. Like, hey. Like, we think this would be

Wearing wearing the InGoal backup towel as he did it.

Yeah. That's right. That's right. Cary in an InGoal backup towel. Walking us through the well, that's when we decided it wasn't the backup towel.

It was a

That's right.

It's the

starter towel.

Best in the world towel.

That's right.

I I remember Daren thinking, and obviously we're like 350 ProReads in now. So we've learned this lesson. But I remember going into the first one thinking, I have an understanding. I have a basic understanding of the information these guys are processing in real time. And Carey starts talking about what he's seeing on a rush read, and it was like the brain exploding emoji.

I was like, oh my god. In real time, the amount of information that these guys at the top level process is incredible. And that's what ProReads is all about, bringing you the details that they're looking for.

I remember that one of those first ones in that set, him describing how as a a play was changing mid push for him, he just about defied the laws of physics to change his body motion in midair and move to a different person in a different way. And that was a light bulb coaching moment for me to think this is something this guy can do that nobody else can.

Well, we picked a pretty good guy to start with.

Yeah. Not a bad start. Not a bad start. It's all downhill from here. But no, these guys it's not.

That's the amazing thing. Like the insights and the depth that so many guys go into is just amazing. Just love it.

And I think my favorite thing too, not to dwell too long on ProReads brought to you by Vizual Edge, but within that, there are a lot of repetitive things. Like, we do see certain patterns and certain things, screens, short side. Right? Like, we've established that. But when to switch over to the middle?

Like, what your priorities are? What hand shooter is gonna shoot to a certain side of the net more likely than not? You see these patterns in these ProReads, and you inevitably start to connect those patterns on the ice when you're playing. Like, that's the reason these goalie coaches tell us there's no better way to learn how to read the game than InGoal Magazine's ProReads, and we've seen that over the years. So this turned into a shameless plug for our ProReads, but folks, if you're not subscribing to check these out, to go through them every week with your young goaltender, like, get your association to do it or do it yourself, you will get better at what we hear is one of the most crucial elements of advancing up the levels and that's the ability to process, think, and anticipate what's coming next.

And if you don't have the advantage or access to ice time, you can use NHL Sense Arena to really dial in your game with shooters coming at you and all kinds of things from box control to traffic. It's it's really useful aid to getting yourself in a better position going into a practice or a game situation. And NHL Sense Arena now bringing us our feature interview.

Feature Interview - Joey and Brian Daccord

In our feature interview, Joey Daccord and his father Brian. We mentioned Brian's new role with the Detroit Red Wings. He also happens to be the goalie development director for NHL Sense Arena. As I mentioned, there's nothing quite like those shared experiences between a parent and a child, around the game of hockey guys. We've all got these special memories with our kids.

And, most of us don't get the chance to jump on the ice in the summer like Brian and Joey do, much less during the season. So I was thinking, how could you share that same connection that they have beyond just driving to the rink and cheering from the stands? And I thought, NHL Sense Arena. Because every membership includes four accounts, which is perfect if you've got more than one goalie or even a player in the family because there is a player version as well. But here's the twist parents, you could make one of those accounts yours.

The pucks don't hurt. There's no crowd in the stands that you have to be worried about, and it's just you and your kid. And whether you're trying to compete head to head in some of these drills or you just wanna give them a little extra motivation by doing it alongside them, because every kid loves to beat their parents. Right? I just think it's a fantastic idea for you to get involved with it.

So NHL Sense Arena, it's not just a tool for your goalie. It's not just a gift for your player. It's a chance to build some memories together as you battle for bragging rights on the family leaderboard From simple warm ups to challenging screen drills to fun neurocognitive training, you'll be exploring and playing side by side for hours. So head over to sensearena.com today. Use the code IGM 50 at checkout to save even more.

The Daccords. Before we

Before we head into the Daccords, I just wanted to share some of Joey's words about NHL Sense Arena that he has shared with us before. And I think one of the key things is that actually comes out of that little read I did for Sense Arena there is that dad was never forcing Joey to use this. Joey's not doing a favor for his father who's involved with the NHL Sense Arena. Joey tells us about his first experiences until it's now become something he uses right up at the National Hockey League level. So let's hear from Joey.

Yeah. I mean, first off, like the team over there is top notch. They they do a great job, and they work really hard to put out a group good product. And I'm yeah. I remember when my dad first showed it to me, it was in my parents' living room, and this was a long long time ago, and I was like, oh, it's a fun little video game for people that wanna try goalie or whatever.

I didn't think I was gonna use it. And then I started using it maybe two and a half seasons ago, and I just felt really good after I used it. And I used it a couple times before practice, and I was like, I'm dialed in. Like, I I'm seeing the puck, like, so well. Started using it before games, and I felt like it was like a warm up for my warm up. Sometimes, especially, like, if we play afternoon games or games where we don't get a morning skate, you get out there. It's like, are you still kinda trying to see the puck and get your tracking dialed in? But if I use my Sense Arena before, it's like I jump into warm ups just already at full throttle. And I think truthfully, think the biggest spot that it's helped my game is working through traffic and projecting because a lot of the drills I do, I'll do them once with no screen and then I add in a screen. And like, I've made saves the last couple seasons through traffic that I see for a millisecond and I catch it. And then I'm looking around like, did anyone realize how good of a save that was? Like because they had no idea. I never saw it. Right? And and I'm like, that was a Sense Arena save. That's a save that I made from using Sense Arena. Wow. That's that's the biggest spot that I feel like I've I've advanced from with that.

It's one thing to listen to us talk about Sense Arena, but when when a guy is at the top of the sport and he's using it, like, there's there's no better affirmation of the concept and and the tool.

Yeah. No. Absolutely. And you and I well, I'm sorry, Daren. Kevin and I don't get the chance to go out there with NHL shooters on the ice.

We don't get to do the same things that the National Hockey League goaltenders do. But with NHL Sense Arena, you are literally using the same tool that NHL goaltenders are using to make yourself better.

It's, it's nice to go out with NHL shooters. You know why? They don't hit you in the head nearly as much as the rec league guys.

I got beamed. They don't hit you at all.

I got beamed three times last night. So Fair.

I I got hit twice this morning with my Saturday morning scrub skate. One one guy was like on a on a mini breakaway, right in the face, and didn't even, like, acknowledge it. Just went after the rebound. I'm like, really? That's the only place you could hit me?

So the NHL guys, they're they're fine.

Our kid was training with NHL Sense Arena one time and you don't get hit in the head very often with NHL Sense Arena, but he did. And this is how realistic it is. Soon as it happened, he took the headset off and sort of gave it his head a little shake and he was rattled by the experience. It's pretty realistic.

I'm gonna have to change my cage next week. And and the guys are gonna ask me, who hit you? And I'm say, Bob from Saturday morning. Not Barbachev, but Bob from sat Saturday morning. Cool thing with NHL Sense Arena and the Daccords.

And this just if you can set it up as much as you can, father, son, hanging out and how much they they bounce goal tending off each other really shines through.

I think you just get the real experience. It's them sitting on the deck, it's them talking hockey, it's Joey asking dad to jump in to clarify something. It's dad checking in with Joey. You just you you imagine that you're sitting there on the deck with them having a conversation, and, it was just a real privilege for me. And I don't wanna talk about anything that they said, but let's just hear it from them.

The Daccords with the NHL Sense Arena feature interview on InGoal Radio, the podcast.

We thought it would be fun today to bring a goalie and parent to talk about their relationship and their year. And for them, the season has looked a lot like what any young goalie and his dad might dream of. Playing at the top level, announcing a big commitment, joining a spring team for a fun tournament, and then spending the summer at camps and getting ready for next season and tryouts. Of course, our guests aren't just any father and son. Joey Daccord plays for the Seattle Kraken, and the commitment was his five year contract signed back in October.

That spring tournament was the World Championship where Joey won gold for team USA, including a shutout in his debut. And those tryouts were the US Olympic camp as they begin preparations for the upcoming winter games. We are thrilled to welcome Brian and Joey Daccord.

Thanks for having us.

Congratulations on your success and an incredible year. Was was there any particular moment from this season that really stands out for you, and and what did it mean to be able to share it with your dad and the rest of your family?

There were definitely some moments that stood out. I think when I look back at it now, it's it's a lot to reflect on. There's so much that goes on in an NHL season, and then you add on worlds and the Olympic orientation camp, etcetera. And, yeah, I think I think for me, just to when when you think about it from a full picture, big picture standpoint, you look at the initial you know, I signed my contract on the first game of the season, five year extension, and that was, I guess, you could say the I've I've really made it moment, that that kind of commitment from a team five years and and that much money Sure. Was, I think, for us as a family and, you know, father son duo was like, not that you breathe a sigh of relief in the sense that you get comfortable or satisfied, but just in the sense that, hey.

It's it's real now, and I've I've established myself as a full time NHLer and, you know, hopefully here to stay. So that that was probably a big one for me. And then, yeah, just throughout this throughout the season, there were some big games and big moments and obviously underachieved as a as a team, but, I felt like my game improved a lot throughout the season and then ultimately culminated with a a world championship appearance. And just getting to play for team USA for the first time was such an incredible experience. Still get emotional thinking about it now, and then, top it all off with getting invited to the Olympic orientation camp is dream come true and gonna do everything I can to make that team.

Is dad an emotional guy? Do you think there were tears in his eyes during the national anthem at Worlds?

Well, as a, born and raised Canadian, I don't know. But I just asked him. Brian?

That would have been interesting, you know, to see if if I would have been there watching him and see him play against Canada and the jerseys, the whole thing. I I know that we had actually flew over from the playoffs, and and we got to Stockholm. And we walked in the globe and and just to see him on the ice in The U like, when when you it's a lie and you see in in in that jersey, and they had the that game, they had the the 1980 style, you know, jersey, USA jersey, and it's it was quite something. It was quite emotional.

That's that's fantastic. Well, look, Brian, it was really just a typical year the way you two probably drew it up. Is there something to that? Like, so many hockey parents worry about ticking all the boxes so their kids can realize their dreams. So what's the big secret to getting here?

And or is it just looking at each step as just another step like it is for any other kid at any age group, even though the stakes are a bit bigger and the pressure's higher.

I mean, for me, I think just in terms of steps as as a kid growing up, maybe it was naive of me, but I always just looked at it like, okay. This is a process, and this is just what you do. Like, you just you play youth hockey, and then you play high school, and then the next step is prep school, and the next step is junior, and then college, and then drafted, and, you know, minor leagues. And, like, I always just looked at it like, okay. This is the next step.

This is the next step. And I think I think a lot of that just comes from self belief and maybe a little bit of, you know, being naive where you're just expecting to, hey. I'm gonna make the next level. And I think that was kind of just always the mindset we had was, hey. Let's figure out how to get to the next level and just keep doing it over and over and over and over again.

Get to that next level. Dominate it. When you're ready, move to the next one. You know? And I think we were really good at that.

Yeah. I think I that expression, I I use that expression all the time. Take the stairs. Don't take the elevator.

Yeah. I think I that expression, I I use that expression all the time. Take the stairs. Don't take the elevator. And I think that

Good one.

From a goalie parent standpoint, you know, you're so excited. You know, you you want your kids to advance. And I thought for Joey's career, it's just been so important that at each step of the way, there was no rush. It was, let's just make sure that that we're able to to conquer this level, get get very good at it before you move to the next one. And it's really it's really serve well, we actually you know, we're talking about this the other day and about the kids that go to college.

Right.

And how long should you spend in college? And I think that the data is gonna support, you know, you should stay in that college for three years. Like, there's no rush a year, an hour, or two years now. The the goalies that have done better that have played college hockey are the goalies that have stayed longer and and conquered that level before they moved on. And I think, you know, for every nothing's nothing's been easy.

Or And just to add to

that, it's not that I didn't want to. Yeah. Like, I I No.

Of course. Yeah.

I'm not the most patient person. Like, I my dad always says I want it now. Like, I want things now. Like, I wanted to be starting going in the NHL when I was 22. You know?

And and as I was playing in the minors and and kinda grinding through that period of my career, like, I wanted to be in the NHL. I wanted to be a starter. And think one of the best things that ever happened for my career and for my game and the trajectory of my career was my last year in the American League when we made the Calder Cup finals that kind of catapulted me to an NHL roster spot. And without that that, you know, playoff run, I don't I don't know if I get the opportunity to be on the roster next year. I don't you you know, I I don't know if I get those opportunities without that AHL experience.

And, like, just even even to add to that more, like, the year that Chris Drieger got hurt at Worlds, the next year, I thought I was gonna be on the team. And then they signed Martin Jones, and I ended up in the minors. And I remember being so disappointed that, you know, I felt like that was my opportunity to make the NHL roster and then ended up another basically full year in the American League. And now you look back at it, and it was probably the best thing for me. But in the moment, I was not happy about it.

And that just kinda speaks to stairs aspect versus the elevator. Maybe if I had taken the elevator right up to the NHL that year and I wasn't fully prepared, maybe it doesn't go well. Maybe I don't take advantage of the whatever it may be and doesn't work out. Instead, I go go to the American League. I played, I don't remember, 40 games in the American League and then played another 26 in playoffs and set a bunch of AHL playoff records, come a goal away from winning the Calder Cup.

And next thing you know, the next year, I'm playing 50 games in the NHL. So I think that's just a perfect example of the stairs versus elevator.

Does dad help you along the way with that? Are there conversations, dad? I'm getting a little frustrated that, I'm not getting the chance to get

talk hockey. We we never talk about goaltending. Come on. He has very little goalie knowledge, so I never I never call him after the game and and ask for his thoughts.

Understandable. Understandable.

No. No. I we we talk constantly.

Yeah.

It's incredible resource to have an elite NHL caliber goaltending coach, consultant, scout, you name it. In the goaltending world, he's done all of it. So I've been incredibly lucky, to have that resource at my disposal. You know, it's it's funny because I have people that I run into, goalie parents, whatever, and, you know, they they always everybody wants a piece of my dad, and I'm like, he he picks up my call. So I feel lucky that I that I have that resource right there, you know, at my disposal at twenty four seven, basically.

You know, you know, Hutch, it's so interesting because when Joey was was speaking, all I could think of was as a goalie parent, those times where it looked like well, what Joey mentioned, that was his opportunity. Driedger gets hurt, and there's a spot, and and he had a great year. He was the he had the second best goals against or the second best save percentage in the American Hockey League that year. And it was, hey. Another year in the American Hockey League.

We're gonna sign Martin Jones in. And it that's a consistent theme throughout Joey's career where there were moments where it always seemed like, oh, this is the worst thing that could happen. And and then it ends up, in retrospect, that was the best thing that could happen. It's so counterintuitive because, like, as a father, you just wanna protect your kids. Right?

As parents, we wanna protect our kids. But the truth of the matter is the more adversity that they face, the stronger that that that they're gonna become. So even though we wanna protect them, it's better for them to go through and have these hard times because it's gonna be those hard times that end up making them the people or the athlete that they become.

As parents, we wanna protect our kids. But the truth of the matter is the more adversity that they face, the stronger that that that they're gonna become. So even though we wanna protect them, it's better for them to go through and have these hard times because it's gonna be those hard times that end up making them the people or the athlete that they become.

What specifically are you able to say to Joey or Joey, what specifically do you hear from dad in those tough moments along the road? Because because it is a real roller coaster for goalies of every age. What's that conversation like, and and how do you lean on him?

I I would say there's there's a lots lots of different messages that get get delivered from him. He's a man full of wisdom. He always loves to give his lectures.

But As all dads do.

Yeah. A recurring theme is is, he would say more calluses. And what he means by that is it's just more calluses and more adversity that's just gonna make me stronger and tougher and more mentally tough and more prepared for when I do get the opportunity to to play and keep getting better or whatever whatever it may be, and then I just become more prepared for it and stronger for it. And I just there's a lot of messages throughout the years, but that's one that really stands out to me.

I would say this, Hockey. You know? Sometimes we get caught up in the emotion of the moment. Absolutely. And, you know, how many times when you're a parent and your your kid gets in the car and I suck.

Right? Like, well, no. You don't. So I've I've always looked at it. Well, if you take the emotion out, let's just look at it analytically.

And, you know, how are the goals? How are the goals scored? What would you need to do to be able to make that save? What do you need to get better at? So kinda strip the emotion out and and think about it.

So, you know, one of Corey Corey's idols and and one of my former students, Corey Schneider, you know, we used to call him the businessman. Corey didn't didn't get all flustered with what was going on. He just thought about it and figured out, okay. What do I need to do? And, therefore, he looked at it from a very businesslike or very analytical approach.

It then takes the emotion out and then it allows you to develop a plan, a strategy to move forward and say, okay. What do I need to do? That is as simple as that. What did I do? What do I need to do?

And, okay, let's go do that.

Great advice. Joey, I'm thinking back to the World Championships now, and can you describe the feeling when you're standing there in the anthem place for the first time for your first game?

Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna backtrack you a little bit. So Okay. That was amazing. But just to give some context, I was on my way to our pre tournament game in Germany, and we were playing against the German national team in Dusseldorf. And before every game, my dad texts me, like, a picture.

Sometimes it's funny. Sometimes it's motivational. Sometimes it's one of my, you know, hockey idols, sports idols.

Game all year?

Every game. Every game I start. Yeah.

You're the you're the only person that he's ever said that. I've never said that publicly.

I think I've told that before.

I I've never heard I've never heard you say that one.

So every game, he sends me a picture or something and then says, let's go crack it or let's go firebirds or let's go Sun Devils, whatever. So he sent me a picture of like he just said, my childhood idol growing up, goalie idol was always Corey Schneider. And he sent me a picture of Corey Schneider playing for Team USA and said, let's go USA. And that moment, like, I was in tears on the bus on the way to the game, and I was like, goddamn it, dad. I'm trying to lock in my first ever game with Team USA, like, time ever putting on the red, white, and blue, and he's got me in tears on the bus.

Although, I'm trying to hide my tears from the rest of the guys. Like, exhibition game before the world championships. And and, it's just an emotional moment for me and just I remember being eight years old, wanting to be Corey Schneider and just sitting there. I wanted to follow his career, follow all the steps he did, prep school, college, AHL, NHL. Like, I wanna do his whole career.

And to just see that picture and see, like, let's go USA, like, I was playing for USA, it still makes me emotional even right now.

Oh, that's fabulous.

Thought process behind the picture.

K.

So it's three hours exactly three hours before every game, and it's a picture with the let's go. So my thought process is always I just wanna let them know that that I'm there for them. Mhmm. That's it. It's just, hey.

You know what? You're not alone. We're in this together. And so that's that's been our tradition since ASU. Just a quick picture and sometimes, you know, depending on how I what

I think it needs money. Sometimes it's

sometimes it's it's motivation. And so it it varies a little bit depending on what's going on, but that that's my intent. My intent was like, hey. You know what? There's no no big speech.

No. Hey. You gotta do this tonight. No nothing. Just like, let's go, and and, I'm there for you.

I love it. That's fantastic. There's gonna be a lot of kids getting pictures three hours before games this year, I think, including mine. Brian, how do you balance? And and, Joey, I'd ask almost the same question to you.

Being an NHL goalie coach with so much experience, being able to help your son from a distance, but he's got a goalie coach in an organization he works with in Seattle too with the US national team as well. How do you how do you walk the line there as a as a parent coach?

Yeah. I mean, he's been very fortunate to have so many great goalie coaches. And and, ironically, people that I have relationships with as well. I think it's more of a just sometimes you just need someone to talk to. Right?

Whether it's it's goalie related, not goalie related, You know, they have their jobs to do. They take the video, and they break it down. They they do everything they have to do. And, you know, maybe away from that, it may be, hey. Dad, what do you think of that second goal?

Like, you know, what are your 2 cents and just double hockey guys, couple goalie guys talking about it? And so there could be a conversation, and hockey and goaltending may never come up. And maybe there's a different period or a different time than than, you know, Joey wants to talk, so I'm there to talk. So for me, I just kinda, like, let him guide that. And, if if my opinion's asked, then I'm never afraid to offer an opinion.

I am sure.

But, you know, just to me as a parent, it's like any other parent. It's just getting a feel for what they're looking for and what they need at that time. Yeah. We we we chop it

up after almost every game. Just go over it, talk about it. Sometimes it's more intensely. Sometimes it's more loosely. Sometimes we talk about the other goalie and whether we you know, what we thought of his game and the team and stuff.

You know, it really just depends.

Talking hockey?

Just talking. Just talk hockey, and then sometimes I'll call him, and we'll spend two minutes talking about the game and then talk about something else. You know? I I think one of the best things about our relationship is that he knows really well when to and you're not hard on me that much anymore, but especially growing up, when to be hard on me and when to be like, hey. He knows he didn't bring his effort or compete or focus or that body language or whatever.

And Mhmm.

Take it take it easy on me. You know? I I think he did a really good job of managing that, and he was plenty hard on me. Don't get me wrong. But he just knew kind of when the right moment was to to be harder on me or when to off.

And I think that that was something that was super important for me. And, you know, you do hear stories of kids that don't have great relationship with their parents if if their their parent is their coach or their parent is too hard on them all the time. And I just feel really fortunate that that we are so close. And, I mean, I'm 29 years old. I've been playing Goalie since I was five.

That's twenty four years that we've been hanging out on the ice together, and it's pretty cool. Almost a quarter century we've been skating together, so it's pretty sweet.

Hey. Since it's Are there any since it's the, the father and the son theme in in in the discussion, so I just wanna speak a little bit about that and and and being hard on Joey. Always hard on Joey, but never about performance or giving up a goal or you know, it was it was the other parts. It was being on time and being respectful and, you know Attitude effort. Yeah. Attitude effort.

All that all that kind of stuff. Composure? Yeah. Yeah.

You know, it wasn't, oh, wow. You gave up a lousy goal or, you know, you lost the game. There was none of that stuff.

And Mhmm. Usually, they correlate, though. No. They do. Cool.

Usually, like, if you're if you're yeah. That's when you get the if your if your focus wasn't right, your attitude wasn't right, body language, you weren't respectful, weren't a good teammate, etcetera. Usually, that's when you don't have your, you you know, your stronger games. So it does kinda correlate, but it wasn't the the focus of the message wasn't, hey. You need to be better at goaltending.

Yeah.

I'll give you a a great story, and Joey's gonna remember this. So so Joey played. Joey was always one of two goalies. Always. He always had his buddy, Colin, that was the other goalie, and they would split, and they would take turns.

So

so When he pulled me for a shift?

No. No. No.

He pulled me for a shift one time. Told me to

lock him One shift.

Put me back in. Yeah. Youth hockey and youth hockey. So I

don't I don't What but what what do you think about that seriously? Because I actually wish that would happen more instead of just, we don't like how you're playing. Go sit on the bench for the rest

of like 10 or 11 years old. I I wouldn't really do that. Yeah. You gotta you gotta figure it out on your own, I think. You know? You can't get taken out of the game. It's it's not really fair to the other goal either, so I wouldn't do that often at all.

So so hot show, here we are playing he's just a kid of Peewee or whatever, and he's playing the second half. So he's getting ready to go, and he looks at me. He says, now now? I'm like, no. Almost halfway through the game, he's ready to go, and he misses his the right time to go.

And then there's another whistle. Dad dad dad. Can I go? Can I go? Nope.

And he turns to me, like, it's already halfway. Why can't I go? I said, because you're not getting your homework done, and I'm tired of your mom getting mad at you. So, therefore, you're not playing today. So get your homework done, and maybe I'll put you in the next game.

I actually have zero recollection. Oh, yeah. I don't it. I remember that. You didn't Drake it?

Yeah. I was in Drake it.

I I don't remember that at all.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. So but but that's what I mean in terms of it wasn't hard on him as a goalie and performance. Was it was the other style.

It's a just another way of looking at, process over results.

Without a doubt. Really? Yeah. I'm a huge believer in that. Just in general. I never look at the results. I look at the process of how we got there.

It's all always process oriented. And so can

you give me an exam yeah. Can you give me an example of something you

Stats?

You might reflect on from a particular game? Don't have to name the game, but just you come out of an NHL game and and how do you reflect on your process of that night? What sort of thoughts would you have?

Yeah. What were gonna say? I I was gonna say how you don't get tied up in the stats, and you're not always looking at stats. And, you know, it's I don't I

don't like looking at my numbers just because that's like, what's the point? Like, it doesn't have any effect on my next game. Right? Next game, it's like, okay. Back to square one.

Drawing board. How do I play well tonight? How do I get get a good result? My process is dialed. I have a good morning skate.

My nutrition's dialed. I get a good night's sleep. I'm on time throughout the rest of the day. After morning skate before the game, I get a good meal. I, you know, execute my plan for the day, my routine, my schedule, get to the rink, go through my routine, make sure I'm sharp, make sure I'm dialed.

You know? Those kind of things are how you get there. And then when you get on the ice, it's okay. How do I play well? It's like, okay.

I'm playing well. Doing this. I pick try I try to pick three things that I really wanna focus on that we play well that night. And, you know, yeah, a lot of times, it's the same things, especially if I'm playing well. And there are simple things like making hard pushes, keeping my hands out, dropping bigs, you know, thinking getting to my spots early, being engaged early, certain things like that.

And I think if I execute my game plan, then I usually play pretty well.

Did you just say dropping big? Can you explain what that means?

Like, don't sag my hips when I drop in my butterfly and and staying up. So, like, sometimes I'll drop kinda with my butt down too far back, and then that my shoulders drop, my butt drops. Now that I'm back on pucks. So I like dropping big. I like dropping over the puck.

So big I mean, you could call it like a big butterfly, tall butterfly.

Obviously, your relationship with dad, Stop It Goaltending has been really big thing throughout your whole career. What's a summer of preparation look like? I I I know you spend time at Stop It in the summer. What's your summer of preparation look like, and and are you able to even share some specifics of what you're trying to accomplish in in a summer at this level?

Summer looks different every year, based on how late my season went, how many games I played, etcetera, how much time I have. For me, like, I I'll just give you a quick insight to this summer. This summer, I I've cut down on my weightlifting just a tiny bit Okay. And added in more agility work. I play tennis twice a week.

I basically replaced one of my lifting days. I still lift a little bit that day, but I keep, I keep it mostly as like a speed, fungus agility day. And in the last few summers, I've added in a lot of bike riding, a lot of stationary bike riding, a lot of a lot of zone two work. I'm usually in the summer. It's it's a it's a building progression, but usually start the summer at about two hours a week, and I'm up to about four hours a week right now of zone two riding, and then I'll I'll taper that back in the next two weeks here as we head into camp.

And, you know, it's it's usually three lifts a week, two tennis sessions a week, two to three skates a week. But I I take off I take about ten weeks off the ice after the season ends, ten to twelve weeks.

You can ask that question.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm a I'm a huge believer in packing your bag and don't even think about hockey, mostly mentally, but also physically as well. Playing goalie is such an unnatural human body position. It's not you're doing things that the human body was not designed to do, not made to do.

I think it serves the body really well to pack up your bag, play other sports. You can train as much as you want in the gym. I I love playing tennis personally, so I I hit with a coach twice a week, and it's probably the most fun part of my summer training. And I think it's one of the most applicable sports to goaltending, and that's why I'm a big believer in that as well. So, yeah, I I couldn't bang on the drum harder of taking time off the ice.

I think it serves the body really well to pack up your bag, play other sports. You can train as much as you want in the gym. I I love playing tennis personally, so I I hit with a coach twice a week, and it's probably the most fun part of my summer training. And I think it's one of the most applicable sports to goaltending, and that's why I'm a big believer in that as well. So, yeah, I I couldn't bang on the drum harder of taking time off the ice.

Are are you able to, tell tell us anything about what you're trying to accomplish on the ice from a technical perspective in the summer?

You wanna talk about what we've been working on this summer?

Sure. I I would say yeah. I would say it'd be so counterintuitive to what people would think. One of the things that Joey and I have talked about a lot is looking at how goaltenders later later on in their career start to lose some of their technical precision. And one of the things that we've con consciously looked at is why why would that be the case?

And the reason is that the season's so long and so demanding and grueling at the NHL level. There's not a lot of time in the Aussies to go back to goalie school and to go back to all the little things and working on those small little habits that end up compounding into success. So we've kinda made a conscious decision here to spend our summers more or less and every summer is a little bit different, but more or less just getting back to the basics. And so I always thought I always thought it'd be funny to talk to a parent or a kid who happens to walk into Merrimack College and watch us train in the summertime and look at the drills and go, well, That's boring. There's really a simple shot and a simple save, and there's there's really not much to this.

And this is supposed to be, oh, coach supposed to be at this level, and Joey's an NHL goalie. How come there's not a firing squad out there and taking 10 shots in a row? And no. It's just it's doing all the little things and doing it correctly.

Yeah. I for me, like, during the season and during games, what gives me the most confidence is my technique and my my mechanics being incredibly dialed in. And that's basically all I wanna work on because that's that's when I feel my best. That's when I have the most confidence is when I feel like all of my movements are precise and, you know, and just well, you know, well structured. My game's really well structured.

And I feel like if I spend the summer working on that, then I just come into the season feeling so good about my game, my technique that I just have lots of confidence. And it's honestly something, like, even in throughout the season in my goalie sessions, like, I don't like doing hard drills. I don't like doing shots to score and and tough plays. Like, in practice, I'm about to get 300 shots where the guys shoot to score. You know?

There's three on twos, in zone, two on ones, guys just coming down shooting nonstop. Like, it's shot score over and over. Like, I wanna do drills where I feel really good about my technique. I feel like I'm setting my feet, hitting my spots, getting my spots early. I feel like my stance is in the right position.

I feel really comfortable with my game so that when I do get into practice and it it goes live, then I'm ready to go, and I'm feeling really confident. So it's no different in the summer. It's just I used to do some more skates where I'd skate with big groups of, you know, other NHL guys, and it was, you know, ten minutes of drills, then you play three on three, and then you play full ice. And those have their place for sure. But for me, I think the most important thing is is the technique skates, and that's basically all we do now.

And I feel like it is so beneficial for my game.

Hey. One thing I wanna bring up too, and you're talking about the summer, and I I don't wanna miss this, is the the PRI work that Joey does because I think it's really

important. Please.

To add in. Yeah. I that was a really good piece. So Joey did put on his YouTube channel about a fifteen, sixteen minute piece that had him at at the the PRI workout Fabulous. And talk that through.

And I thought I thought that was really good for Goal is to see not only, hey. You know what? If you wanna be an elite athlete, you've gotta look for other ways and ways to to to help you as opposed to just going on the ice. And PRI's been a big part of Joey staying healthy for the last number of years.

Yeah. It's a big I that's a good point. I'm glad you brought that up. I've that's another part. So I go see my PT two or three times a week all summer.

I see a different PT in Seattle. Does the same you know, similar type of stuff all year. That's a a huge part of my my summer, and, we call it more like body restoration than anything. I like I like like you said, so I I have a YouTube channel, and I did a full breakdown of a of a session with with my PT. And it I think it's really valuable for goalies to see that and see what it looks like because I I personally think all goalies should be doing stuff like that because it's against the traditional norm of what most kids and goalies are taught.

It's a it's the exact opposite of almost everything I've been taught since I was 10, 12, 14, 16. So I started working out. So I started playing goalie at a remotely high level in terms of how to take care of your body from a flexibility, mobility standpoint. And it's changed my career in terms of my, ability to stay healthy and my my joints, my hips, everything. So couldn't recommend it anymore.

So we'll share that video and thank you for for doing that for the for the goalie community. That's fantastic. But I have to pull at the thread because you you said it's the complete opposite of what you've been brought up doing. Are you able to give me an example or describe what you were taught versus what you're doing now and and how it is the opposite?

Yeah. Basically, was just taught that I had to strengthen the outside of my glutes a ton, which is like doing, for example, like a band walk or a clamshell or a glute bridge with a band around your knees. And essentially, when you play goalie, those are the muscles that are working the hardest. So your body has compensation patterns. We could go down a rabbit hole here, and we're not gonna.

But your body has compensation patterns. Right? Your body is always trying to find the easiest way to do something. Right? So if you play goalie, your body's gonna try to compensate in areas to make doing the butterfly as easy as possible.

Now that's not always a good thing because it's gonna find an a non ideal way to do that. So, essentially, your TFL's glute needs, etcetera, on the outside of your hip and and, glutes, they get worked overtime to try to butterfly and then internally rotate your hip at high velocity and high impact. Right? So for years, I was taught I had to do glute bridges, band walks, and clamps to strengthen these areas when, in fact, I really just needed to strengthen my adductors, my hamstrings, and reposition my pelvis because my pelvis got so basically anteriorly tilted that I couldn't have any internal rotation of my hips. And now I have ideal internal rotation of my hips and essentially strengthen it.

It's this is a very simplified version, but strengthen adductors and hamstrings more than

I get it.

Than than, like, glutes and quads. We still do glute work. Don't get me wrong. But it's just in a very specific targeted way. Like, the body, I don't wanna go down too crazy down the rabbit hole, but the body's not symmetrical.

Right? So so and that's because of your organs are different on both sides. So there's different pressure throughout the body. So, like, your pelvis on most people sits a certain way where, like, your left hip needs to be pulled back. Your right hip needs to be pulled forward.

So you should focus more on your left adductor strength and your right glute max strength, and that'll help shift your pelvis back to eve. The different thing things like that. And the video kind of explains that on my YouTube.

That's fantastic. We will absolutely share that with everybody. And we we we love it when somebody's got a, I don't wanna say unconventional, but but but a way of doing things that is challenging the norms. And I think that's great to keep everybody thinking. Brian, what role did Stop It Goal Tending play in Joey's path?

And and did you create a sort of culture at the goalie school that maybe mirrors what you try and have at home with with your son?

So ironically, you know, a lot of people would think, jeez, I was Joey's goalie coach as a kid, and I coached him all the way through. And to some extent, that's correct. But we've had so many great coaches at Stop It Goaltending, and and everybody's had a part of of working with Joey. So I I love the group dynamic of Stop It Goaltending and the camaraderie and the kids that work out together, and they they go out together and have fun and play golf and go to the beach. And and I think there's a tremendous value of goalie nation working out together in these groups.

So when you have groups, you have different stations. So Joey would, you know, go around station to station, and he'd work with all the guys. And, and so it's funny to think about how many different coaches at Stop It have had a hand in helping Joey develop himself as a goaltender and how he wants to play. And I think that, you know, it's so beneficial for me to surround myself with other goalie guys that may not think exactly the way I do that have their own thoughts, and then they can bring drills and concepts and ideas to me to make me better. So I don't think Joey gets to where he where he's at with just dad as the coach.

I think it's been so important for him to to work with all the different other goalie coaches that we have, and and, it's been a a great opportunity for him to be exposed to these different, coaches.

I love it. I've always tried to encourage kids to see more than one coach. Some some kids just get drilled in or some coaches even tell the kids they have to drill in only with them. And there's so much you can learn from other people, isn't there?

Yeah. Without a doubt. And and it was, I mean, it was so much fun, and and it's it's not only just the coaches. It's it's very rarely was Joey was the best goalie on the ice. So when, you know, you've gotta as a goalie, you've gotta surround yourself with other good goalies so you can learn from them because they learn they learn from from each other as much as they learn from the coaches.

Yeah. Without a doubt. And and it was, I mean, it was so much fun, and and it's it's not only just the coaches. It's it's very rarely was Joey was the best goalie on the ice. So when, you know, you've gotta as a goalie, you've gotta surround yourself with other good goalies so you can learn from them because they learn they learn from from each other as much as they learn from the coaches.

Okay. We have kept you guys for too long. So I will do the famous Kevin Woodley one last question.

One last question, Woody.

Yeah. Which might mean there's three coming. Joey, we always run a parent segment on our show and it's sponsored by SIGU as you probably know. So I'm just gonna put you on the spot. This one might get pulled into a parent's, segment of its own.

We will see. Joey Daccord's top five tips for parents of goalies. Looking back on your life with your dad or things you've seen around you, can you come up with four or five things you think parents should hear from you today?

Okay. Five things?

Yes. If you can do it, sure.

Play other sports. Yep. Take two to three months off every summer or spring, ideally. Don't play in every single tournament in the summer in the summer and everything. Pick a few.

What else would I say? Focus on skating. Number one thing, skating. And

Can I have this one? Yeah.

I'll jump in for the last one.

Okay. So Joey's an elite. Oh, play forward.

Play yeah. Yeah. Play play out. Yeah. Play out as a forwarder d.

No. That's what that's not what I was gonna say. No. That's good. Those are

my five. Those are my five. Okay.

I love this. Thank

you. Story. Right? So so Joey loved to shoot pucks. He shot so many pucks, and I I would get so mad at him.

I'd walk down the basement, and he'd be shooting pucks. And he'd have player gloves on players. And I would tell him, you wanna be a goalie? Put your blocker on, grab your goalie stick, grab your glove. And he'd say, no.

That's not fun. And what I didn't realize was by using player gloves and a player stick, the fine motor skill of handling the puck and muscle was so he was so much better he was so much better off using a player stick and player and a play player gloves to learn the muscle memory of of how to handle a puck. And then naturally, as he got older and stronger and got on the ice with goalie gloves, and he was able to handle the puck so much better. So I learned a lot from that. I did it because it was way

more fun. Like, I couldn't even when I started when I was young, I couldn't even lift the puck off off the ground. When I was in my basement at my parents' house shooting pucks, like, I couldn't even lift the puck off the ground with a goalie stick and goalie gloves. It's just too heavy. You know?

Like, it's not even fun. I I genuinely like, there's literally a hole in my parents' basement. Oh, the basement's basement's renovated now. But there's a there used to be a hole in the basement just over high blocker side on a goalie because I love shooting there. Like, I shot there 95% of my puck.

And it was so fun. I just sit there and just try to go bar down for hours, and that's how I gained the strength and the the muscles to, to be able to shoot the puck well and and handle the puck well.

Do you shoot right or left as a player, Joey?

Lefty.

So left both side both times. So that's that's a nice advantage, isn't it? Yeah. I'm the same. Gentlemen, I really appreciate you taking the time today.

I know you're short on time this summer, Joey, especially having to get back to Seattle. So, best of luck this season. Thank you so much for all that both of you do for the goaltending community. I know everybody, especially all the parents and their sons and daughters are gonna love listening to this episode.

Yeah. Thanks for having us. Appreciate it. Okay.

Have an awesome night, guys. Thank you so, so much. Appreciate it.

No problem. See you.

Parent Playbook

Woody, what were you thinking as you were listening to the three of them talk?

Just the genuineness of that relationship. Right? Like and my kid plays sports. My youngest kid plays sports, but it's not one that I know intimately. Like, I I I ask her open ended questions growing up about, you know, how the day went and how she felt the game went and things like that.

But there's just there's a different level of bond here. I think a lot of goalie parents have that with their young goalies, and I know a lot of goalie parents listen to this podcast or get memberships at at InGoal premium, ingoalmag.com so that they can better understand the position for those conversations. But when you have two guys at the elite level and the conversations are still so just as Hutch said going into it, like, just just two guys talking hockey. And you got a guy who's been, like, at every level. Like, Brian Daccord's been at every level, like, NHL scout, NHL goalie coach, NHL director now and a director again.

And Joey, you know, number one NHL goaltender. Like, there's only 32 of those in the world. And them having a conversation on the back deck with InGoal and and blessing us to be a part of it. And it just being father and son talking hockey. Like, to me, that was that there was a lot of individual takeaways that I wanna highlight at InGoal in the coming weeks and one that we'll we'll highlight on the parent segment.

But it was just overall how special that relationship is. To me, that that's what really resonated.

And being able to connect with, Joey and Brian, kinda changes up, how we're going to approach the parent segment, brought to us by Stop It Goaltending U, the app, which Brian is the foundation behind. We had the follow-up from last week, but we're going to just push that back a little bit, that second half, to be able to dig a little bit deeper into the courts?

Well, I think that, honestly, like, that answer that was in the interview at the end, that's the parent segment. Right? Like, that's the parent like, and it's brought to you by Stop It Goaltending U the app. And what better advertisement that Stop It Goaltending U the app than listening to the people that are behind it. Brian Daccord with all those twenty five plus years of experience in the game. The job he's done with Joey, helping him along the path. The job he talked about all the goalie coaches at Stop It being a part of Joey's journey. All of that knowledge is baked into this app with advice and tips often from Brian himself on a weekly basis. This week's primers, quick one to two minute videos that you can watch every morning to help you get better in the position, all deal with posture. When we talk about a break down of goalies and how they play the game and and trying to take tidbits away from it, this week's breakdown is a game between David Rittich and Jordan Binnington.

Their different approaches, video analysis. Those are examples, just two of many of the type of content you get fresh every week from the Stop It Goaltending U app. All that knowledge we just heard baked into an app plus not to toot our own horns, a subscription to InGoal Magazine. And as we've told you throughout this episode, we bring you a ton as well to help you get better as a goaltender. You get that all with a subscription to Stop It Goaltending U, the app.

Well said. And, Hutch, we can put your second half of what we were discussing last week. Just just back seven days.

Yeah. Little anticipation. Last week, we did the first five ways to have your best season ever as a goalie parent. I've got five more that I had promised to follow-up with this week, but we're just gonna keep them in the keep them over there in the green room and pull them out next week. If you are a goalie parent, if you're a goalie, if you're a coach and you'd like to share a tip for me and for our audience to make it parents best season ever, send me a note.

As always, podcast@ingoalmag.com.

Or david@InGoalmag.com.

Or info@InGoalmag.com.

It all funnels to the same spot. Were were you thinking less a dad or a goaltender when you were talking to the Daccords, Hutch?

Oh, no question as a dad. No question as a dad. You know, we all have those special moments. I I was thinking about that moment between them that happened via text message on the bus. Such a privilege to hear that story.

I think there are going to be hundreds of goalie dads now sending photos three hours before game time to their son this season, including yours truly. I have a feeling Woody will be sending volleyball pictures to his daughter three hours before her games this season. It was it was such a a moving thing to hear about and it made me reflect on some moments that we had. I I don't know. Just thought I'd ask you guys.

Do you have any sort of special traditions, special moments that sort of anchor you and your kids with whether it's sport or whatever?

It's a good question.

I'll go first while you think about it because because what it reminded me of because they're the little things that maybe other people don't see and others don't know. And and here in Nanaimo, at least when Matthew was was first playing as a youngster, you hit a certain level when you play on a quote unquote rep team and all the rep teams have to practice once a week at 05:30 in the morning, which, you know, sounds like pure insanity, doesn't fit with what kids need for school and so on. And yet, for Matthew and I, I think one of the most special hockey memories are those 05:30AM practices stopping by Tim Hortons on the way to the rink every time, the quintessential Canadian thing, grabbing a hot chocolate. And then the two of us, he was the only goalie that season on on his team. I was the goalie coach.

And just those moments at the net when we got our fifteen minutes to do some work together, just gonna cherish them forever. I'll never forget them.

I did like driving to the practices with my with my kids. Yeah. The the games get small talk became shorter and shorter. But driving to practices where you could talk about anything, you didn't need to be as focused. It was just fun daddy daughter stuff.

Tunes. Tunes. Letting them pick the tunes like Playlist? We have like, my my youngest playlist all the time is that, like, that became a shared like, it became a Taylor Swift thing for a while there and a shared experience that resulted in going to a concert together and a memory that I'll have forever. So don't have any as specific as Joey and his dad in terms of, like like, you know, getting ready for a game.

Maybe I need to start that. But, yeah, that's it's that's it's it's a really it's a really good question. I like it.

Are you gonna start doing something like that, Hutch?

Yeah. Probably. Probably. I mean, we have our little messages back and forth all the time. I I'm never telling him how to play.

The only thing he ever gets from me is love you and have fun out there. But, yeah, maybe we'll add a few.

Gotta keep us up to date on that.

I I sent him a picture this morning. I'll share it with You two.

Oh, did it?

Yeah. Okay.

It's tough to do go for Frosties after a practice when you live in Moose Jaw and Vancouver Island.

We should try yeah. May maybe this year after there's a we could share our experience while both go through the drive through in our different cities on FaceTime or something. Exactly.

See, that's it's a Tim's thing. Like like, is it does it make me un Canadian to say I can't stand on the coffee? Am I like, we have no chance of a Tim Horton sponsorship, but, like, do I lose weight?

Do you know what else? They're not even owned by a Canadian company. Listen. Used to be started by an NHL hockey player, Tim Horton.

So it's I'm so I'm okay now. I can I'm allowed to say that I don't like Tim Horton's.

I like the coffee. My wife doesn't.

But just

I like the coffee.

I don't like Used to be great, no longer is.

Know the Really?

You wanna know the funny things?

The word I heard the word I heard is they lost the contract for where they got their beans from and McDonald's picked it up and now I prefer McDonald's coffee. I don't know if that's a true story or not. It's just something I saw on the Internet. So there's a 10% chance it's true.

I'm just glad that I haven't lost my Canadian citizenship over this because I was just in the land of coffee with my daughter dropping her up at school, Kona, some of the best beans in the world, and was told on several occasions by both her teammates and people in retail and at the coffee store asked if I was Canadian because of my accent. So I may have lost the citizenship over over the Tim Horton's thing. But believe it or not, boys, we've got some words that we say that are, like, immediate triggers.

Oh, yeah.

For the American. To yeah.

I've had to adjust how I Out? Present things. Bag? Yeah. Data, process process, I all of it.

I think you guys are like it's a difference between a five eighty and a five ninety. It's it's not that big of a difference between the coffee.

It's subtle.

It's subtle.

But if you but if you know, you know.

Yeah. I drink more cold coffee now than I ever thought I would. So and

I I would if I lived in Vegas too, probably.

Yeah. It it's it's hard to you've ordered a coffee, you got and you want a hot hot one, you gotta explicitly say it. Okay. I want a hot coffee.

I've never I just can't do cold coffee.

Outro

Cold brew or cold coffee. There you go. We'll get through this, and we'll get back to you guys next week when we're up and running. A lot of interesting setups that we're getting the glimpse of. We'll get a a few more of those as teams really start to crank up their practice, their captain skates, and the NHL media tour rolls through Vegas.

So we'll get a few more situation analysis with what's happening as we enter this season and embark on what is a wide open campaign. Few different things with the Olympics that are gonna change things up. But I also wanna know, think about this in the next two weeks. What's the most games a goalie will play this year? Think because of the jam schedule and then the Olympic break.

Is it going to be noticeably different this year for number of games played in the National Hockey League? Don't answer it now, though.

I got it right away. Oh, yeah. Okay. I'll save it for next week.

Save it. Save Thanks for listening to InGoal Radio, the podcast presented by The Hockey Shop Source for Sports Langley at hockeyshop.com. Stop them. Keep your stick in the ice and that glove up, and if it hits you in the head, chase them down the ice.