InGoal Radio Episode 255 with Calvin Pickard

Intro

Well, this is fascinating. Every now and then, we get one of those episodes where we come together from the weirdest, strangest places. I'm in the InGoal Podcast studios in Las Vegas, Nevada. Hutchison is in his regular home, but Kevin Woodley, I I don't know where you are other than you're in a vehicle, in a parkade somewhere. Give us an idea.

Paint the picture of your location right now if you're comfortable with that.

I was intending to come to you guys live from the rink for game two of the second round between the Vancouver Canucks and the Edmonton Oilers today. However, my previous duties allowed me to get out of the rink a little earlier than expected, and it is Mother's Day on Sunday. So I am in the parking lot at Metrotown because I really need to pick something up for my wife specific that's here. And because this podcast comes out before Mother's Day, I'm not gonna say what it is, but that is why I am in my car. I used the twenty plus minutes I had between getting out of the rink and scheduled to see you guys to start that journey towards Metrotown.

I'm I'm in a parking lot between Rogers Arena and Metrotown to do some shopping.

So you think she is listening to the podcast every week and you don't want to give away the present. I got news for you.

100%. 100100%, my friend. Like, my family is dedicated to my craft. Yeah? Where do think we get all the listeners from?

I well, like I do with my kids, I just make them play the podcast. I said, you don't have to listen, girl, but you gotta play it. And On repeat. On repeat. On repeat.

Wow. So do you have a do you have an angle that you're gonna take with the present? Can you share that much? Oh, look at, there's somebody behind them just pulled into the parkade. That is so funny.

Oh, yeah. This is yeah. These people don't realize they're gonna be on the show. Yeah. No.

I'm just I'm not giving anything away. Although she she'll actually, she's she probably already knows because of the location. It's something she asked for, so I'm just doing my duty as a husband here.

Got a lot to get to today usual.

This, my friends this, my friends, is what we call the bare minimum.

Well, you can just chalk it up to the Vancouver Canucks making the second round.

Not something I thought was gonna happen either, so my schedule's a little out of whack.

And like things fall by the wayside when the Canucks make an extended playoff run. And it doesn't happen every year, so our families can just suck it up.

Listen. Doesn't happen every decade recently.

We got Maria Mountain standing by to join David Hutchison in the Gear Segment, and in the NHL Sense Arena feature interview is Calvin Pickard. NHL Sense Arena, I used it the other night before men's league. I just thought, I'm gonna just watch pucks come at me. And and it was I don't know whether it made a difference or not. I actually won a game.

But but it was a cool thing just to sit there and twenty minutes before the the men's league game, just watched releases.

Channeling your inner Eric Comrie. I like it, dude.

It it it was a a neat exercise. My wife thought I was absolutely bananas because I was doing it in in the living room, but I don't I don't care.

That's a big step. We wanna see you do it in the locker room next.

Yeah. I'm not sure I'll ever do that.

Can we send a message to your wife.

You could do it.

Can we send a message to your wife that the next time rather than just ridicule you for doing it, she should be getting video for us?

Yeah. That's a good point. That may happen. I I don't know either whether whether that did not take place. But NHL Sense Arena, just watching the the videos, the opens is is kinda gets you excited about everything that that happens for players or goaltenders.

Yeah. For sure. Hey, it's a beautiful day outside as we can see behind Woody, sun shining, shorts and T shirt weather guys. And I remember weather like this at a local rink with a local coach and a professional goaltender going through a training session several years ago. The drills were really good.

There was some great training and coaching happening, but you know what stood out for me? Was that they were competitive. With a pro goaltender, he was going through these drills and giving points for goals to the shooters, saves to the goalie, and they had something on the line. I can't even remember what it was, but it was something along the lines of push ups or squats or just something fun. And these guys got into the drills, and it made me think of how important no matter how serious we are that being competitive makes things better for everybody.

And, and even if you're not into push ups and squats for your drills, I think with really competitive athletes, all you have to do is say that there's a win on the line and they're gonna dig really deep.

Yeah. Agree with that.

Right? So great drills and a focus on important skills is really good. But if you layer that competitive side on it, it takes it to the next level. And all that to say boys, that's what NHL Sense Arena has done. We've always known that it's a serious training tool used in the NHL, American League, junior college, all the top leagues, and even recreational leagues like where Daren Millard plays.

But you can also compete, and that makes serious training serious fun. From day one, they've had leaderboards where you can get in there and see how you stack up against other goalies, at your level, and that's awesome. I've seen pro names beside mine or, I guess, I should say slightly above mine on those leaderboards. And I've redone a drill drill a whole bunch of times to try and climb those ranks and see how high I can get. More recently though, guys, in NHL Sense Arena, they have included multiplayer competitions where you can go head to head with friends.

And now they've got a Stanley Cup competition where you can compete virtually to hoist the Stanley Cup. There's new competitions throughout the year. A new way to layer that competitiveness on top of what we've always said is some of the best training you can do off ice. So head over to the Meta Quest Store today, grab Sense Arena for the same training that the pros use. And like I said, guys, it's NHL Sense Arena.

Serious training, serious fun.

While competing is the name of the game. Do you guys when when you played, did you compete against the guy at the other end, or did you compete against the shooters? I always got sucked into competing against the guy at the other end, which made no sense. But if he was playing great, it kinda got me inspired. If he was bad, like like, I gotta make these saves to really make him pay.

Did you guys do that?

Sounds like a question Woody may have asked in the feature interview this week.

Yes. That that is that is one of the questions that we get into with Calvin Pickard. But I'm gonna be honest with you, Daren. My biggest challenge is usually competing with myself when I'm on the ice.

Well, think about that when what's happened in the Carolina series with Igor Shesterkin on the other end just owning it or Jeremy Swayman certainly in the in the first round, and he's been such a a great story during the course of these Stanley Cup playoffs. What's happening there? And I'll put Arturs, Silovs in the same mix for goaltending stories of this postseason. Those are my top three.

It's a good goaltending story here with Silovs so far. Game one against Edmonton. The wheels got a little wobbly. He's never seen anything like the Oilers or Connor McDavid in his career. That's a tough place to get introduced to it.

It's in the Stanley Cup playoffs first game of the second round. Really interested to see what happens tonight in game two in terms of how he manages. That was really interesting to watch him and Ian Clark go to work this morning on a game day on resetting his alignment on post play because he got a little steep in game one and they backdoor them a bunch. And there you are, you know, in the middle of the playoffs being like, hey, we can't abandon our staples. You know, our entries and exits in the reverse are at this alignment, at this angle, and that gives us a chance on these plays.

So, you know, I don't know that I'd recommend if it was a change and something entirely new going to goalie school at morning skate. I had a game two against the best player in the world and the best power play in the history of hockey. But because it was something he'd done before, just that refresh and that reset of making sure he got back to it. Like, there's a lot of fascinating nuances, but you're right, Daren. Certainly, a shout out.

First Canucks rookie to have a shout out in the playoffs in game six to get them past Nashville. That's a hell of a story, and I'm with you. The two leaderboards right now to me in terms of goalies with a shot at the Conn Smythe early. Shesterkin for sure, although I think Carolina pads some stats with their shot totals. And obviously, Jeremy Swayman, if he can keep up the way he played in game one.

I love Swayman the way he uses the paddle down. And and I know we've we've kinda touched on this offline, but there's a an interesting save selection there that's not a traditional paddle down.

It's not, and it's what got me to hop into the group chat and say, somebody screen cap this one, and let's get Woody to use it for a ProReads in the future. I'd love to hear his reasoning on some of those, but you can certainly imagine, as we've talked about before, the whole concept of throwing a different look at at shooters is so important in the game today.

Well, I would imagine too, and what Daren's referring to, obviously, is using paddle down on a breakaway. And interesting that, you know, in in in game six, was it against the Leafs? He gets beat on a breakaway five hole, and then we I don't know if the paddle down was always there or we just were more cognizant of it moving forward after that. But I think if you were to do it all the time, especially in the playoffs when teams go to school on tendencies like no other time of the year, that quickly guys would be looking to shoot high blocker. But as Hutch said, if you're mixing it up and not doing it all the time, I think it's a great look.

And so I'll give you one on Swayman. People will think this is just the results, but watch his setup on face offs. Watch his sort of main setup and stance, and is he's giving me Carey vibes. Like, I'm getting Price vibes when I watch him play. Obviously, he gets lower and wider than Carey did in certain situations, but his face off setup, his stance, his sort of main sort of setup stance when plays mid zone, I just I see a lot of Carey in that.

And the way he sort of stays calm even when things are getting crazy, it just, you know, again, maybe it's the the recency bias of the success he's having, but I there were moments in game one where I'm like, man, that reminds me of Carey Price.

That's pretty cool. I'll I'll keep an eye on that for sure. World championships about to kick off at Team Canada, Team USA tandems. We got Trey Augustine and Alex Lyon right now for Team USA. And Team Canada going with an all St Louis Blues goaltending tandem.

That that's a little different. You don't usually see Hockey Canada or or a national team take both goaltenders.

Well, I don't know how like, to me, Jordan Binnington, who's one part of that tandem, is probably a goalie that's gonna end up on a short list, if not the favorite right now. And we talked about how he should have been a Vezina finalist at ingoalmag.com just last week, so make sure you go read that article. But to me, he's he's your front runner for the next time there's best on best. You know, like, it's Four Nations or World Cup or whatever the NHL is rolling out ahead of finally getting back to the Olympics, you know, he's he's on a short list with guys like Adin Hill to be the Canadian goaltender at that event. And so, yeah, I don't think it's that common that you see a guy in the mix or should be in the mix for that at the world championship.

So the and the fact they brought Hofer as a young guy, to me, that's more your traditional bill. He's a guy who's had success with Hockey Canada in the past, World Junior Championships, as is the third stringer, InGoal Radio,

you take it. InGoal Radio, the the podcast, podcast Gear Segment is a staple of this podcast, but also goes with the Hockey Shop Source for Sports Langley, hockeyshop.com. They are busy. They're making it's like they got a sale every two days. It's so fun.

What makes it remarkable, Daren, is in addition to the sale, they're prepping for TendyFest. So not only can you go get the best deals on, you know, last generation, previous generations of gear, not only can you go get the latest and greatest, the newest launches, we talked about the Warrior g seven last week, the CCM Axis XF, pretty soon we'll have the Bauer Shadow line. Not only is all of that available and tons of inventory at the hockey shop and the hockeyshop.com, but while he's breaking out all the new gear, while he's putting the markdowns on the previous generations, Cam is also planning an epic day on June 15 at 01:00 at Fleetwood Ice Center in Surrey, not far away from the Hockey Shop. It is going to be a great day of goaltending. Your opportunity to try all of that gear, to try different skate sharpenings.

They'll have a profile station where you can snap in blades with different profiles and different custom radiuses to see which one works best for you. You name it, Cam's thought of it, and it'll be a part of arguably the greatest demo day in Western Canada, The Hockey Shop TendyFest number six, June 15. Mark your calendar, 1PM at Fleetwood Arena. Make sure you check all the social media for The Hockey Shop and thehockeyshop.com for all the latest details.

Okay. So what do you and Cam get into today?

We talk about knee protection and there's some new options from CCM. One that we hadn't seen before, but two that we've been testing, including one that is by far in my mind and from my observations, the most popular in the national or most commonly used in the National Hockey League. But there's a new take on it, a new twist, a new generation of it that I've been wearing for the past season and really love. And then a second new product that I think a lot of goalies are gonna it's gonna be an alternative to those who want pro level protection, but not quite the pro level bulk. We'll get into that now.

Gear

Let's let Cam. Cam, explain.

Welcome back to The Hockey Shop Source for Sports where Cameron seems to be treating the new CCM knee protection as his own personal set of drums. Cameron, be more come on. Let's go. I'm excited. That's great.

I'm, you know, just it's protective. Knee protection. New knee protection from CCM. A major upgrade on their pro model, which is by far the most popular one in the National Hockey League. And two new ones.

An all new totally redesigned high end pro model. And then this little I'll be honest, these two, we've been on top of. We've been some of the earliest testers of these lines. That f five is new, so let's start there, Cam. What what have you got there?

So CCM F5 knee pad. New design this year, but actually something that's a little bit from past.

Out of the archives. We're going old school. Marc-Andre Fleury. Similar knee pad to what he's been wearing for years and years and years and years and years. Speaking of old school.

Exactly. CCM come out a little bit lighter weight. This replaces, like, their KP 1.5 knee pad, especially the senior model. It's actually still is you know, you've got that nice hard cap, nice soft landing that turns it for your impact. So if you're looking for something a little bit more lower lower profile, but still providing, you know, a decent level of protection, it's not by far, you know, the most protective knee pad that carry by any means.

It's not what we would consider a pro size knee pad, but there's protection there. But again, if you're looking for something a little bit more tapered around the knee, a little bit more contoured, hey, you got an option. Okay. That's the one you know about. Let's go to the ones I know about.

Why don't we start with the pro? Cause I think a lot of people know about that one. Sure. Big changes in this one this year. Like, obviously, the first thing people are gonna notice, there are no more screws on the side.

[crosstalk] No. The screws legendary hinge is gone. So the screws are gone, but it still hinges very nicely without I will say I never had a problem with the screws. As long as you remember to tighten them somewhat regularly, they weren't an issue, but some people did. Yeah.

This new one, in addition to not having any screws, we've got now d three o on the front of the kneecap for extra They've improved the liner. It's way softer, got way more sort of padding in there. Supple feel. And I actually think it and I've had a few guys say this, like, it's a little thicker, so they think when they're on their knees, maybe there's extra couple of millimeters of height. Oh.

Like, it's bit I just love the way it wraps around the knee and your knee your knee sort of sits in that knee zone. Yep. And it just seems to I don't It's basically their old pro level, which like I said, has been used at the always been a big fan of those CCM pro knee pads. So you can tell he's gushing a little bit. A little bit.

I have been a fan, admittedly. And admittedly, in part because I it's the one I see the most in the National Hockey League. It gives you a full size protection, beef, but now with even more comfort and no more stress. To be one of the cool features that I've noticed that CCM has added. So new guard belt system for this year, obviously, as sold separately.

However, what comes stock on the knee pad is, a, if you don't use that garter belt, you wanna keep it on. There's a couple different ways to wear the garter belt too as well, but you can still run your actual strap hop strap over top of that padding. Take it off. Velcro's still there. Now integration.

You could even put this on, like, say, you have a pair of, regular jock shorts that have that sock integration too as well. You can now put that in there. There is a CCM specific guard about, but, hey, now you have multiple different options. And if you still really don't want it, you can remove that piece altogether, attach even a different style guard belt. There's options here.

So, again, keeping your knee pads up has always been a hot topic. They are giving you multiple different ways to do that. And I'm gonna be honest, I've been wearing this one for eight months now, like, since the start of the hockey season back in the fall, and do not need to put tape to secure it. I haven't needed any type of garter belt system. It's just stayed for me.

I just think there's a lot of improvement in sort of the lower area and how much your knee sinks into it. More breathability in the fabric, so not overheating. Clearly, I am a fan. Cameron, we are also hearing a lot of people are fans of the new SF model. And this too, it's a little more streamlined, like it's not quite as bulky with the padding, but this is definitely a pro level knee pad.

Yes. The new XF from CCM. Asymmetrical padding on the inside of a larger landing area. Correct. Because obviously when we drop as goaltenders, don't drop on the outside.

So why do we need extra padding there? They've designed it so the knee fits really well. And when you drop, the padding is where you need it when you hit the ice. Exactly. Biomechanics, ergonomics, worked into the three piece The way it tapers, it's a little, like I said, less bulky, a little more sort of streamlined, and it also comes with that same system that Cam was just talking about that you can either keep, remove, or just tuck back in when you do up your strapping.

Just this is one that we're hearing from people first and early testers really like this as a as a sort of in between from a size fit and feel, all the pro protection, less of the bulky feeling, and this knee area has been really popular as a landing zone as well. You've heard it here. Kevin's a big fan. I really like the fit of these knee pads too as well. If you have more questions, you can give a call, (604) 589-8299.

1-800-567-7790. Check them out at the hockeyshop.com. And like I said, different material on the inside for a little more breathability cause it gets hot out there, especially in the summer. So there we go. CCM Pro, CCM XF, CCM F5, new knee protection options.

And like I said, different material on the inside for a little more breathability cause it gets hot out there, especially in the summer. So there we go. CCM Pro, CCM XF, CCM F5, new knee protection options.

You're just killing the audio here, you dumbass. Get them at the hockey shop in the hockeyshop.com now.

Just listening to the wheels turning is amazing as you guys wrap those gear segments up. There's there's a certain amount of chaos every time as as you finish up with Cam.

Well, I mean, I think if you mean the wheels turning, those are the hamsters running around in Cam's head most of the Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That's fair.

They're small hamsters. They don't have a lot of horsepower, but they get them through the day.

To be fair, we've usually pushed the two guys through four, maybe more segments, a few YouTube shorts, make them sit for some photos. So by the end, they're getting a little bit squirrelly. And this was the last segment we filmed that day.

Oh, it was? Mhmm. I like the

We're sick of each other.

I like the idea that there there's different sizes, like, from from a a bulk standpoint, not just small, medium, large, but options for for the knee pad now.

Yeah. Certainly, that new XF is a slimmer profile, but I think it's important because I was guilty of this a little bit too of of sort of thinking of it as lesser protection, and it really isn't. It's just a different sort of style. And, you know, I think, frankly, the first one that CCM's had a chance to really go to school on from the ground level and reinvent the wheel. Like, we're gonna build this from scratch.

We're gonna look at biomechanics, ergonomics, things like that, and make sure we come up with something that goalies love. And the feedback early has been exceptional on it as well. I'm, you know, I'm a traditionalist. I I do like that pro knee pad. I've gotten used to it.

I love the upgrades in it with the D30 and the softer knee landing area. I think the thickness of the knee, you know, if there's if I land and there's like a that cushion is like a full inch, that means my shoulders are an inch higher relative to the ice as well when I'm on my knees in the butterfly. So I kinda like that one as a shorter goalie. But, you know, I think there's a lot of people are gonna love that Axis XF, the new model.

Parent Playbook

Parent segment, Hutch, you've got a good one this week, chatting with Maria Mountain, the parent segment brought to us by Stop It Goaltending U the app.

Absolutely. Anytime there's a transition in seasons, Daren, you know, we go from regular season to spring hockey, we go into training camp. Any anytime things change up and we as parents get a chance to reassess, maybe look back, was our kid happy at the end of the season? Are they looking forward to something new for the next season? How can we set them up to be happy?

We all start getting that old fear of missing out, and we look around. We see what the other parents are doing, what the other goalies are doing, and we wonder to ourselves, what do we need to be adding to the program for our kids so that they can have their best season ever? And inevitably, part of that becomes off season training and what you're doing off the ice, whether it's hitting the gym or or whatever it might be. And so I see lots of people asking what their kids should be doing in the off season. It turned out, I got a text message from Maria.

She was going to be on Vancouver Island twenty minutes from my house visiting family and we were gonna get together and have a coffee anyway. So, of course, I took advantage and threw a microphone in front of her and said, can you just answer one quick question for all the parents out there? So we got Maria's feedback on it. It really did talk about ages and different things you should be doing depending on the age of your kid. She stresses not worrying too much about what the kid feels they need to do with that old fear of missing out, but I think the advice goes for parents as well.

Listen to some experts like Maria, like some of the other people we've had, over at ingoalmag.com, and do what you can to do the best for your son or daughter.

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I have a rule. Free is better than cheap. Just just a something to standby. Now cheap's good. Cheap's really good. But even get a freight, that's really good whenever you throw that that word out there. So what should your child be doing, in the summer?

Let's, bring in Maria Mountain with David Hutchison on InGoal Radio, the podcast.

Here we are this week with the parent segment, and I have the goalie training pro in my office, the InGoal offices in Nanaimo, British Columbia. Maria Mountain, welcome.

Thanks, Hutch.

Great to have you here as always. We wanted to address the question that so many parents have or at least the topic so many parents bring up this time of year. What should I be doing for my son or daughter off the ice? It comes in various forms. I think everybody assumes that they need to be really grinding away in the gym if they wanna be the best goalie they can, but not every kid is the same.

Not every kid is the same age. Can you give us some generalities of what people should be looking at this time of year?

goalies that are under 14 years of age, they're really wired for skill development. So sometimes parents wanna get them quote, unquote training like the pros and working hard in the gym at that age, but they're not they're not wired to be building strength and mass and those kinds of things.

Yeah. For sure. I think if we kinda split it by age group a little bit. So, you know, I think those younger goalies, goalies that are under 14 years of age, they're really wired for skill development. So sometimes parents wanna get them quote, unquote training like the pros and working hard in the gym at that age, but they're not they're not wired to be building strength and mass and those kinds of things.

So let's take this time to work on their skill development because their nervous system is still plastic. They can still take up these motor patterns, and then they'll have those through their whole career. So playing multiple sports, you know, doing something different in the summer. If you want to work on something that's going to really help in the crease, then, you know, that's working on motor skills, puck handling, catching, power skating, really getting comfortable on their edges because those those will just it's like riding a bicycle. We never forget how to ride a bicycle because we learn when we're little kids.

So for those kids, that's I think that's what they should be working on. I don't think those little kids need to be trying to get bigger and stronger.

What do you say to the parent who says, but but but but my Johnny's teammates are all in the gym lifting right now. Like, he can't miss out on that.

Well, and and I think it's are you doing it for a social reason or are you doing it for what's best for the kid? And, you know, I I'll I'll tell people when when they say things like that, you know, I wanted to eat Captain Crunch cereal every day for breakfast when I was a kid, but my mom wouldn't let me because she knew it wasn't what was best for me. So I I think sometimes from the from the coach that has no kids, but I think it's like you're the parent. And and, you know, I think if and I'm sure there I'm not saying there aren't some good programs that are really designed for young kids and the coaches it and they're doing the right things. But I think it very easily gets to be focused on, let's make you big and strong, and that's not what kids should be focusing on.

Okay. I'm sure that's a topic we could drill deep into. And if any parents want to talk more about that, by all means, let us know and we'll get into it. For those that are over 14 or 14 and up, what are you thinking?

14 and up, I look at it like building the skill and the habit of excellence in the gym. So I think a young goalie 14 years old, they should be doing some extra training in the off season. They should be learning how to squat and deadlift and frontal plane squat and press and pull and with good technique.

14 and up, I look at it like building the skill and the habit of excellence in the gym. So I think a young goalie 14 years old, they should be doing some extra training in the off season. And it doesn't have to be, you know, what you might think of as super goalie specific, but they should be learning how to squat and deadlift and frontal plane squat and press and pull and with good technique. So I think too if you are in a position where you can get that kid in a gym with a good strength coach, not someone who's just trying to turn them into a meathead, but a good strength coach who sees, you know, where this is gonna go. That's a great time to do it so that they're learning these these skills, squatting, pressing, pulling, lunging.

Now this wasn't intended to be the question for the day, but, of course, I've got my parent hat on. Soon as I hear you say that, the first thing that comes to mind is how the heck do I know if it is a good coach? How do I find a good strength coach?

That's a that's a really good question. That's a tough question to answer. But I I think it's, you know, someone who works in pretty small groups. You know, there aren't 15 kids in there all at once hammering away. Someone who's been doing it for a long time.

There are a lot of strength coaches that pop up and then have to leave the industry because it's a pretty hard it's a pretty hard grind, and you have to be pretty good to have a long career at it.

Sounds like goalie coaching.

It is like goalie coaching. Yeah. So, yeah, I think somebody who has a reputation for helping develop young athletes. And, you know, I always prided myself on our kids not tearing their ACLs and injuring their groins and things like that because we took the time. We weren't just about hammering and trying to make them tired and exhausted.

You know? And some days parents would come and and say, oh, was that a hard workout, you know, to their kid? And the kid would say, well, no. Not really. Because we're working on the foundations and the fundamentals that are gonna help them stay healthy and and form the foundation for their development. So

I guess parents have to just do the research and talk to other people too.

Yeah. Talk to other people. And the at any any gym, they should get be able to get a tryout session. So we always before someone joined Revolution, they had to do a tryout session, and that was as much for us, the coaches, as it was for the the athlete and the parent just to make sure it really was the right fit.

So anything else about that age group of these kids who were heading towards junior college? I don't mean those players, but you've got a 15, 16, 17 year old.

Yeah. As they get a little bit older. So I think the first off season is really just developing that vocabulary of movement, that habit of doing the extra work. And then as they get a bit older, 16, 17, 18, that's that's a huge window for improvement and development. So it's it is about making them bigger, faster, stronger, but in a way that's gonna help them perform on the ice.

Yeah. As they get a little bit older. So I think the first off season is really just developing that vocabulary of movement, that habit of doing the extra work. And then as they get a bit older, 16, 17, 18, that's that's a huge window for improvement and development. So it's it is about making them bigger, faster, stronger, but in a way that's gonna help them perform on the ice.

And and this always gets slippery slope because, you know, people think when you talk about goalie specific training that now it means like doing a butterfly with weights or, you know, like people take it to to make it something crazy. It's not. But it it it's it means I'm not gonna invest my training time with this goalie trying to make them a power lifter. So they need to be strong enough, but they don't have to be back squatting 400 pounds. You know?

So we get them they will front. I won't I don't back squat any athletes We don't. For years and years. But, you know, we'll front squat them so that they can front squat. They'll learn how to do Olympic lifts because they might go to college.

Yeah. And then be like, okay, we're gonna test your clean. And then they're gonna say, well, like, my strength coach never taught me. So we teach them really for that reason. There are better ways we can, you know, get them explosive, but and they know how to front squat and deadlift and everything.

But then once they get to that, okay, this is this is strong enough. This is good. Then we find a different way to challenge that. So maybe even single leg squat, you know, frontal plane squats, things that are gonna translate a little better onto the ice because they require stabilization. And so that's that's kinda where we go with those guys.

It's probably, you know, the highest volume training that they're they're ever gonna do from when they're, you know, 16 to 23.

Awesome. We could do a two hour podcast on this. We're not going to today because I know you have a plane to catch. But thank you for taking some time, Maria. If anybody would like to know more, where are they gonna find you?

Probably the easiest place to find me is on Instagram. I'm just at goalie training, or if you're a website type of person, goalietrainingpro.com.

Perfect. There are thousands of pieces of content from Maria out there if you would like to learn. So go check it out. Thank you, Maria.

Cheers.

Fun stuff. So much energy there. But I mean, I love Maria. She's fabulous. I don't know why she has to go dragging Captain Crunch down.

Like, what did what did Captain Crunch do to deserve that?

Don't come for don't come for Daren's sugary cereals.

Like, the guy's just, like, out there trying to make a living, and he gets hammered by Maria Mountain.

I mean, I grew up

on Maria.

I grew up on Frosted Flakes, and look where I am. Not in the National Hockey League.

What was your favorite sugared cereal?

Frosted Flakes, for sure. With extra sugar? Probably.

Woody? I'm a Froot Loops guy.

I'm a Froot Loops guy.

Oh. Can't remember the last time.

Yes. Can't remember the last time that I had it, but as soon as I said that, I'm now craving it. It's probably been years since I had a bowl, but now that you now that I you've maybe say it out loud, I'm like, oh, I'm gonna get myself some Fruit Loops.

No. Go in when you do the shopping for Mother's Day. That's right. Little little special treat.

Maybe All the sugary cereal that she doesn't let us buy for the kids.

I love those. I don't know if they still make them the like camping packs.

Oh, mini packs were the best, weren't they?

Yeah. Yeah. They could like

We used to go to my parents' cat or grandparents' cabin and that was the that was that was the special treat because you didn't get those you didn't get that cereal at home. So remember how it would have a mix? Yes. You know, there'd be like two good ones and then there you like the raisin bran and you're always like just trying to bust open and get the Frosted Flakes before you had to had to eat the raisin bran or the special k. Those are good days.

Feature Interview - Calvin Pickard

Sprinkling the sugar on sugared cereal. Classic. Classic from the the childhood. Let's get over to our NHL Sense Arena feature interview at Calvin Pickard joining us. And he he is in a place right now that he probably never expected at the start of the season, but, he was called up.

There was speculation that they were just, using that as an opportunity to find another goaltender. He played his way into, backing up Stuart Skinner and is now in the Stanley Cup playoffs. Looking forward to hearing what you and Calvin have to say, Woody, brought to you by NHL Sense Arena.

Yeah. No. It's good to catch up with them. It had been a little while. I think you're right.

I think when you anytime you've got Stuart Skinner and Jack Campbell ahead of the depth chart, you go into the season thinking it's probably gonna take an injury for you to end up in the national, but full value to him for making the most of the opportunity. His adjusted numbers are all on the right side of ledger by a good margin. He hasn't played often, but when he has, he's given them really good minutes. And I think there's lessons too here in terms of the type of teammate and person he is and how valued that is in the locker room by the Edmonton Oilers. So we get into all of it, how to manage yourself when you're not playing often, how to manage those minutes in practice to be a good teammate while still not totally abandoning your desire to work on your game, how to manage those games, and there's lots of these for the Edmonton Oilers, when your team is at the other end for the for most of the night, and you're trying to stay focused.

Some great advice on all those topics and more from Calvin in this interview.

And he's fully admits how raw he was when he got to the National Hockey League, and that's really cool. A lot of different avenues to go here with Calvin Pickard on the NHL Sense Arena feature interview on InGoal Radio, the podcast.

I guess, first of all, just it's been a while since we've caught up Yeah. This opportunity, this experience, how you've embraced it, the mindset when you first get that call and this opportunity to be prepared for it?

What goes into that? Yeah. Obviously, when you're playing the American League at my age, you're always kinda waiting and, you know, trying to stay at the top of your game to get that next opportunity, and I got it early November. Obviously, it wasn't the best start to to the year for the team, and, it was a great opportunity for me to come in and show what I can do help the team. I didn't play a lot for the first couple months, I had to stay sharp and know, it's obviously a credit to our team.

I've never really played on a great team like this and and, you know, it's night and day from, you know, other teams I've played on and and but that's one thing getting the opportunity and embracing it's another and and, you know, I played well all the way through and stayed consistent. You know, there's challenges with, you know, a lot of time between games, for me, but, you know, I've been in that role before and I'm older now, so I've had that kind of experience. But, no, it's been a lot of fun and and it's been a good run and and, hopefully, a long playoff run.

So for other young goalies maybe listening, a couple pieces of advice there. One, let's let's start with the challenge of not playing as often as maybe you're used to at other levels or at other points in your career. Long gaps between starts. What what are some of the keys you've found to sort of help manage those and still be able to perform at the level you have this year?

Yeah. Practice is huge, obviously. You know, the resources for us, you know, our goalie coach is fantastic here, always putting a lot of time in for me and and, you know, you know, working on different aspects of our game. You know, obviously, when I'm watching skins, you know, paying attention to the game, seeing players tendencies, different things like that. And, yeah, when you when you get that opportunity, when you're only playing once every couple of weeks is you don't wanna put too much pressure on yourself because, you know, obviously, you have to sit on that game for a little while, regardless if it's good or bad.

So, kinda see what you have, you know, the first few minutes and and, you know, if your team's not playing well or if your team's playing well. At this point in my career, I've seen a lot of different types of games, so, you know, I'm prepared for that. But, I think the biggest thing is, not putting too much pressure on yourself.

At practice, sort of managing those practice and the gaps. There's a part of the role that requires you to spend times of practice as more of a target. Just the nature of when you're not playing as much and you're the last guy out there.

What work do you like

to do to make sure within that those duties, you still stay on top of your game? And what are some of the things that, like like, are there crease movement drills? Are there certain drills that sort of like, hey. Okay. Snap in a game mode here, or is it an everyday thing?

Yeah. It's it's

an everyday thing for sure. Obviously, you know, I get a lot of volume in practice, you know, morning skates, optional morning skates. Guys wanna get their touches, so you're getting a lot of shots from being close, and, you kinda go go through that and, you know, I they they kinda track the numbers. Usually, I'm going going down 200, 250 times a practice. So, obviously, a lot of volume, but but yeah.

No. It's it's it's good to have that type of volume, and then afterwards, get that technique work before and after practice and and, you know, working on post work or beaten passes, you know, east west stuff. There's so many different things. And even in the drills where they're not built for you, there's always things you can be working on. You can pick a thing.

You know, you obviously wanna be patient, you know, not not be guessing when they're when they're coming in close and and, things like that. So there's always something to take away.

Is that something you've had to learn throughout your career too? Like, we mean, I've talked to guys over the years, and there

was a stage there where it's like,

oh, man.

Like, guys right up to

the NHL used to complain regularly about the fact that so many of the drills just can actually almost be detrimental to a goalie, all the open looks and things like that. But then I think that mindset shift, the guys are like, okay. Now how do I find something in that for me? Can you give me an example of a drill that maybe earlier in your career, you'd be like, oh, man. This this sucks versus now I can work on this.

I mean, honestly, any shooting drill for this for the most part right now, a lot of guys wanna get in close, and and then you don't see guys getting in that close in games. But, you know, a big thing that can frustrate you is is guys blowing shots by you. But at this point in my career, all I really care about is is the process and and not guessing on shots and shooting drills and and and being patient and following the puck right off the stick and and, you know, after so many repetitions, like, I'm I'm pretty pretty good at it, obviously, but, you know, anticipating or guessing is is death in our business and and, you know, it's something that, was ingrained in me, at a young age.

This group, those shots, like some of the best in the world, what makes that challenge unique, you know, when it's McDavid or Draisaitl or Nugent-Hopkins or I mean, the list goes on here.

It's definitely a challenge for sure.

I'm glad Yeah.

We've had a lot of, you know, low 20 shot, high teens games that I've had especially. You know, I've played a few teams along the way that are obviously inferior opponents, and you can you can kinda look at it as a trap game. But, but, no, we, it it is tough to to stay in it sometimes, you know, even if you get 15 to 20 shots. Obviously, shots on goal are a little bit of a different aspect now compared to what they were at the start of my career. A lot of teams are turning up and and, you know, making a lot of different East West plays rather than just coming down the wing and shooting it.

So I think shots are pretty misleading.

It's it's less quantity, more quality now. Right?

For sure. For sure. You saw last night, obviously, I think there's.

Yeah. They're they do they really do.

Yeah. For sure. And, I mean, a lot of teams do too. So you don't see the volume shooting teams. Think, like, LA is one and, Carolina might be another.

But, but, yeah, no. It's it's it's tougher to stay into it, but you're still getting that zone time. You're still getting those pushes even though you might not be getting many shots,

for a while. Okay. So we've had guys, you know, over the years sort of share different tactics and techniques mentally that they will use to stay involved in a game where they're not that busy. We had a goalie recently tell us when the play's in the other net for prolonged periods, they start doing play by play. Anything that you can share, or things you've sort of used tools over the years to that a young kid that, you know, maybe it's in the other end for five minutes can can help them stay focused?

Yeah. I I mean, it's tough to say, obviously. You can't be yeah. You can't be worrying too much about the next shot. You don't wanna be too passive when you get that next shot.

You gotta be excited for it. You know, I've kind of relied on experience, maybe a younger me would be kind of, you know, going after it, maybe chasing that next shot a little bit too much rather than letting it come to me.

Easiest thing to say, hardest thing to do, let it come.

Yeah, exactly. It is tough sometimes, but, you know, it's been a really good practice for me this year where where I've had that almost every game where I'll have like six, seven, eight minutes without a shot. So, you know, at this point in my career, I'm kind of relying on experience. You know, I obviously get down, I stretch, I I move around the crease when when know, there's whistles or, you know, the plays at the other end. But in terms of advice, yeah, just not chasing it, I'd say, the next shot.

The other part of that is that sometimes we like, especially if you're peppering a team. Right? Like, it can be I think sometimes we can go to, oh, man. Like, that guy's standing on his head down there. I better make the next one.

Do you have to, like, sort of like, staying present again, another thing that I think is easy to do mentally, but but sort of or easy to say and hard to do.

Yeah. I mean, I saw that this year for sure. I had a game in Ottawa this year where think I we lost four or three. I had 15 shots. Korpisalo was great, and, but we were in their zone the whole game.

And then they come back and get a grade a chance or a power play or something and score. And it it is very, you know, you feel like you're letting your team down to a certain degree, but, you know, that was a that game was a good lesson for me moving forward. That's that's another thing within the game. Like, obviously, when I'm playing not playing very often, I, you know, I brought up putting too much pressure on yourself. But things happen.

Games like that happen, and and just like that in the game, you don't wanna put too much pressure on yourself and make the next two.

You talked about Schwartzie and, obviously, you know, in the American League too with with Sly. What kind of things have you like, how's your game evolved at? Like, the position's constantly evolving, you know, a gap between times up here. How how, you know, how are you different as a goalie compared to, you know, the last time you're up?

Yeah. Dating all the way back to junior, I was a complete natural. I never t pushed. I just backward skated everywhere and and, you know, I kicked my legs out. And I still have a little bit of that in me.

I have that compete in that battle. But over the years, obviously, I ran into Frank Ehler in Colorado and he obviously ingrained a few things in me. I had to dial my game down a bit. And then over the years, you know, everything with being around the net, your your your, your edges have to be so good on the post and reverse. I never wanted to be in it too much because my strength was playing for my feet, and and sometimes people can get into that move a little bit too much.

But, you need it. You need that tool in your toolbox, and I think that's a big, big strength of mine now. You know, obviously, the last couple of years, it's been getting way better. But, obviously, you don't wanna be overusing that kind of move. But, yeah, I I think my biggest is is my competing battle all the way dating back to when I was, like, a PeeWee goalie.

And, you know, that's kind of what driven me all the way back.

You talk about the reverse, and I think, like you said, like, some goalies will sit in it. We focus a lot on the coverage of a reverse, but is in a game where there is so much movement, is it the ability to get in and out via entries and the exits might be more important than the coverage itself when you are in it at times?

Yeah. For sure. There's so much that goes into it now. And and It is kinda crazy

how technical it can be.

Yeah. It's very technical. And, what works for me might not work for, for Skins, obviously. So, you know, he's in it a little bit more than I am because just such a big body in that in that reverse, and he's he's very good at, you know, getting out of that reverse into, like, higher when they pass it up a little bit higher. But, you know, obviously, you need it.

You know, low drives, backdoor plays, power play. You need to be comfortable on that post and being able to work out of that post. But, yeah, the entries and the exits are huge. And and that's one thing that's really taken a big step for me is is, definitely the entry is hitting your post and you kinda using that base to move to your next move and and, you see everybody. Everybody's got it in the toolbox now.

You know, low drives, backdoor plays, power play. You need to be comfortable on that post and being able to work out of that post. But, yeah, the entries and the exits are huge. And and that's one thing that's really taken a big step for me is is, definitely the entry is hitting your post and you kinda using that base to move to your next move and and, you see everybody. Everybody's got it in the toolbox now.

Yeah. I was gonna say, like, it used to be about the coverage. Now it's about connecting it to other parts of the game.

Yeah. For sure. No. It's it's big. You know, puck goes down low.

You wanna get in that post. And if you don't, people notice that, shooters notice that, and they can quickly quickly attack that or exploit that. So, you

know, getting into that's huge. Okay. So you talked about shots. They're down, which makes I've had a lot of guys this year say, man, the game has never been tougher for us. Save percentage just inherently goes down because you're not seeing you know, guys aren't wasting them anymore.

That East West mentality, like like what like if you look at the game, like what's the biggest change, the biggest challenge that is making our lives so difficult, especially for you guys at the highest end?

Yeah. Obviously, at the start of my career, I would I would play a couple feet out of my crease because I knew that guy was coming down the wing and shooting. But now you gotta be way smarter with your depth. You know, there's times to get out and be aggressive when there's, you know, an even man rush or there there's only one guy coming in and you can, you know, take that ice. But for the most part, guys are pulling up, guys are hitting late guys, and you have to be smart with your depth and and, you know, you can't be, you know, sliding around. You gotta play on your feet as much as possible because there's teams making it two, three, four different passes. So that's such a big difference, and I've had to adapt over the years and and just like anybody. But, you know, the game's in a good place. It's it's just a, you know, a different era for for shots on net, save percentage, that that kind of thing.

Yeah. Obviously, at the start of my career, I would I would play a couple feet out of my crease because I knew that guy was coming down the wing and shooting. But now you gotta be way smarter with your depth. You know, there's times to get out and be aggressive when there's, you know, an even man rush or there there's only one guy coming in and you can, you know, take that ice. But for the most part, guys are pulling up, guys are hitting late guys, and you have to be smart with your depth and and, you know, you can't be, you know, sliding around. You gotta play on your feet as much as possible because there's teams making it two, three, four different passes. So that's such a big difference, and I've had to adapt over the years and and just like anybody. But, you know, the game's in a good place. It's it's just a, you know, a different era for for shots on net, save percentage, that that kind of thing.

I just can't focus on that. I'm guessing it's the biggest.

No. No. You can't.

Or Do guys look like we have analytics, and I know you guys get analytics from your like, you guys look at that at all or you just ignore it completely? Because some guys have trouble not looking at their numbers. Yeah. No. I I mean, I

think every goalie would be lying if they're not looking at those numbers still. You know, the first year I played in the NHL, had a nine thirty two save percentage. I had 16 games or whatever in Colorado. I look at videos of myself then compared to now, like, I I I had no base to my game back back then, but I

was still playing on instinct,

but it was a different game. You know, I'm 10 times better the goalie I am now technical wise, you know, experience wise. But the game's just different, and and that's just the way

it is. Okay. So last one. All the things you used to do, all that skating, all that edge work, all that sort of backwards flow, As much as you've had to rein it in at this level, like, it better going that way? Then and this is sort of probably a big picture question because the thing we hear a lot about kids is, like, they're starting with the other stuff.

They're starting with the technique and maybe sometimes don't develop some of that other instinctual element. Like, would you rather have come from it this way than maybe at a younger age been drilled on all this stuff?

I it's it's unbelievable the way I went about it. I owe everything to my goalie coach and junior, Paul Fricker. He he could have, you know, looked at me and be like, oh my goodness. You gotta change this, this, this, and it would have been warranted at the time. But he knew I was a natural, and, he knew that I would evolve to that kind of certain standard at some point.

But, you know, I kinda went through junior and and just kinda did my thing and and, you know, battled and competed. And then I got to pro, and obviously, those guys got their hands on me, and I needed it at the time. But, you know, to go that way where you wanna work on things like following the puck and different things like that at a younger age and get those those fundamentals in rather than hammering a reverse when you're 12 years old and worrying about all that stuff. And then you become like a store bought goalie type thing. You know, you're a bit robotic, but, yeah, that's a big thing.

I I don't love when I see, like, see younger goalies really dialing down those, you know, really technical movements. I think there's a place for it at some point, maybe earlier than it used to be. But, yeah. No. I think it's it's it's good to just let let kids play.

Okay. We love the shout out to Paul Fricker, by the way. InGoal Magazine, founder David Hutchison's son is with the Giants right now and and working with Paul. So other just last one. Other other guys?

Other guys along the way that, you know, we talked about a layer, we about we talked about short sea and sly. Any other guys that, you know, jump out that, you know, played key roles at different spot not to put you on the spot and have you missed somebody, but just you know, we like to sort of look for influences along the way and make sure we're checking boxes.

Yeah. I mean, Paul's been huge. I still I still work with Paul. I'm going for dinner with Paul tonight. It's he's he's my guy and but, no, I've had a ton.

Frankie was obviously great when I needed him.

Should be in the Hall of Fame.

No. He's an awesome one when I had him in Colorado because I needed him at the time. And his, his American League guy was John, you know, Filiatrault, who was great for me when I was in the minors there, and, you know, I've I've had a bunch of them now. So, Piero Greco was great for me with the Marlies. He he toned me down when I needed it.

And then, you know, last couple of years, has been great too. Actually, going back to Detroit, I had Sal and and, Brian Mahoney-Wilson was great for me. My last year in in, in Grand Rapids, I was kind of at a crossroads there. I didn't have a great couple years, my first first couple years of the Detroit organization, and he, he was great for me my last year in Grand Rapids and had a really good year and kinda got me back on track. And and and then, yeah, the last two years slide slide short have been awesome for me.

So I've had a lot of lot of good help along the way, and and, you know, I owe a lot to owe a lot to those guys.

I'm gonna set a record for last ones here, but I do have one more because your answers are so good. They keep they keep bringing up new ideas, and I promise this will be it. When you work with so many different voices, this is a challenge for young kids sometimes. Go to a different you you know, like, moving up the ranks, whether it's into junior or even, like, from team to team. Different coaches want them to do different things.

How you've managed that approach as you've gone in your career and advice you to have brothers that you know, because sometimes it's totally different.

Yeah. It's a good question, actually. I get that question a lot because I've had so many at this point. I feel like going from from coach to coach, there is a pretty good understanding of what needs to be done for a goalie. There's not a crazy amount of differences between a lot of goalie coaches now.

Some people have their their different nuances or whatever spins on things, but, I mean, the last few years have been fine for me because I've been, you know, I'm kind of further along. I'm ten, twelve years in now. So not they they don't leave me alone, but I'm very receptive with different things and I kind of see the game for what it is. But at the start of my career, I think I got great timing because I think it was, like, my third or maybe second or third year where I where I ran into Frankie and and Johnny, and I needed it. I was very open to needing it.

I didn't have much much structure to my game, and I just kinda I listened to them. I trusted their system, and, you know, I was way way better off for it.

Perfect. Thank you. It was good to catch up. Thank you so much for the time. Enjoy dinner with Paul tonight.

I will. Thank you.

Outro

What I love about his year and his journey is he's got to spend this entire season in the National Hockey League, which has its perks and also practice and play with some of the great offensive players in the National Hockey League as as a as a goaltender at the end of his career. Like, that's a I think that's a pretty cool experience.

Well, and more to come in the playoffs. Right? Like, I think this is a team that a lot of people look at as a Stanley Cup favorite. And the way they dispatched LA in the first round, and I know they're not done here in the second against the Canucks despite the game one results. You know, just what an opportunity and and there's lessons there.

Right? Like, he shared some of the lessons on a day to day basis that have helped him still be relevant, still be a factor for the Edmonton Oilers at this point in his career, but some lessons in perseverance as well from Calvin. So always great to catch up with them. I was excited to see him in the room the the other day. And as you said, Darren, at the top of the show, that's one of the perks of still being in the playoffs.

It means we get goalies still coming through town. So it was it was good to catch up with him, and I appreciated his time on a on a practice day after a hard working he was he was pretty sweaty by the by the time he got off the ice, but he gave me a good solid twenty minutes in the room and it's much appreciated.

I I don't go by minutes anymore. I go by how many one Mores. Because you you there was a You were you were in fine

You've form worked locker rooms. You know what that's like especially in the playoffs. You have a finite amount of time. And obviously, because of who he is, Cal was out there later. Right?

So he wasn't first off. He's out there to make sure that everybody's got what they need. Although there was still another goalie. Jack Campbell's in town. Was good to catch up with him.

He's their third goalie. He was out there even later than Cal. But I'm basically watching the other scrums around the room. Zach Hyman across from me, Vincent De Harnay. I'm watching the horde, and it is a horde at this point.

Like, 30 reporters and cameras following from one group to the other. I'm sitting in the corner with the goalie. Stuart Skinner's sitting right next to me eavesdropping on most of this conversation. And I was trying to time it because I knew once that last scrum ended, I was gonna get the coaches speaking everybody out, and I didn't want Calvin being in the middle of a thought. So I kept extending it as I realized I had a little more time because the Oilers, one of the better PR staffs in the league, doing a really good job of making sure everybody got what they needed, and that gave me enough time to get a few more one Mores out of Calvin Pickard.

Vetran move by Woody

moved by Woody.

So you call him Picard or I call him Pickard.

It's Pickard but for it's Pickard but I always I just I I have a that's why earlier, I just called him Calvin and Calvin. I have I know it's Pickard but I have a there's a block in my brain that goes to Picard. I don't know. Maybe it's too much Star Trek when I

was That's right. Every time you say it, I'm like, Jean Luc,

engage. Well, you brought up Captain Crunch, and I was just thinking of the captain.

Oh, well done. We'll tie that together. That's and and and on a on a serious note, way to be aware of your surroundings, knowing that that that you've got a little more time as long as Hyman's talking, keep firing the questions.

And he's one of the great talkers too. So he thank you, Zach Hyman. Bought me a little more time.

This is a this is a compliment to you. When I listened to the interview before we came on today, it sounded like you guys were just outside the rink, just hanging out. Like, it didn't sound like it was a a locker room setting. So that that's good on you to to make it, feel so comfortable.

It's Woody that audio engineer, mister Tech.

I just I just push record, Hutch sets everything else up. No. You did you did you on a break. Cause there's

days you can hear that you're in a locker room and there's days you aren't. So write down whatever you did, buddy.

I think what I did right was make sure that no players were request request requested by the main media that had to happen to have a locker next to the goalies. And you wanna know what else made it easier? Calvin saying, hey, grab a seat as opposed to stand up and do it like most media does. He's like, sit down, let's chat. So just a great guy and great to catch up like I said, and I know everybody would have enjoyed that interview.

Trying to get a good picture before we go. Like a screenshot? I I've I've got the backup, but I'm trying to take a picture on the on the phone.

Little picture of Woody going up on the socials to try and promote the podcast?

Yeah. Like, where where Woody's gonna arm up and the seat, sunglasses on, sunny day behind them, people moving.

It's so it's so nice here right now. It's tarps off weather. Just just be grateful that I know about don't.

When's the last time you did that?

The only tarps off for me is when I take I took tarps off the other day, but it wasn't it wasn't me. It was the tarp off the other car for a drive with a convertible top down.

Like, unless you're taking a shower or you're in the hot tub, the tarp stays on.

Tarp's off for the hot tub. That's about it. Let's be honest. Nobody wants to see this this milk bag, body.

Yeah. It like, what happened?

Not even my not even my wife. Oh, you passed by. Just kinda put a put a shirt back on.

You got the reflection, you're like, woah, what's going on there? Thanks to Maria Mountain for joining us. Calvin Pickard as well. Cam over at The Hockey Shop. All of our great partners.

Stop It Goaltending U, the app, NHL Sense Arena, and, of course, InGoal Radio, the podcast presented by The Hockey Shop Source for Sports Langley, thehockeyshop.com. A lot of great things coming together, and it's it's just a a machine that keeps on rolling. Hutch, the machine. And you've got a couple of edits that you gotta do. Make it sound brilliant, my friend.

Oh, you guys are the brilliant ones. Woody presses record. I press export. You do all the magic.

I'm not sure about Brilliant.

Yeah. We'll

see. I just can't.

That sound you hear is the wheels in my head and the hamsters again.

There you go. So

They're trying

to be Brilliant.

They got like

a Woody and Cam Yeah. Session.

Well, that's the wheel. A little while we go. Talk to you next week on InGoal Radio, the podcast.