InGoal Radio Episode 257 with Pete Fry

Intro

It's a gateway to spring. The Memorial Cup is underway, and we've finished off a couple of other Hockey Canada championships along the way. But the the Memorial Cup really is the door opening into summer. And for a lot of us, our summers have already began as we work on our games and try to find that path for our games going in next season. Welcome to InGoal Radio, the podcast presented by The Hockey Shop, thehockeyshop.com, Source for Sports with our good buddies from InGoal Magazine, Kevin Woodley and David Hutchison.

Woody, can you say something nice about Hutch right off the bat just to just to establish some good vibes today?

There would be no InGoal Magazine, not just because he is the founder, but because the amount of work that goes on behind the scenes to make all of this work, none of which would be possible, even remotely possible, without the one, the only David Hutchison.

I'm getting teary

Hutch, is there anything you can add to, those wonderful thoughts about Woody?

Uh-oh. Yeah. I think Woody's right. There would be no InGoal Magazine without me. No.

There would also be no InGoal Magazine without Woody.

Well and see, I I I was worried that was gonna go another way because there has barely been an InGoal Magazine with Woody for the past three weeks because he's had his head so far up the NHL playoffs that he can't see daylight.

We didn't have we didn't have Woody in the locker room, I'd still be writing blogs about my beer league experience and nobody'd be too excited about that.

We do talk about our beer league experience every now

and then. Do. Do. Hey, Daren, I'm really glad you picked up the phone when I called you too way back when.

I remember where I was. I was at a a soccer game for my daughter.

I was at a baseball game.

We're we're just chatting about this, but awesome stuff. You guys are amazing. I wanna give a shout out to Andrew Stewart. You guys have not met Andrew. He's from Michigan.

He runs City National Arena here in Las Vegas, and he is really embedded into the minor hockey scene, the Junior Golden Knights on the goaltending side. He has served as an e bug for the Vegas Golden Knights at times, like, they're on standby and has warmed up for the Henderson Silver Knights at on occasion. And he is at the USA Hockey Goalie Symposium this week, and he's really excited about that. So a shout out to Andrew Stewart who, listens all the time to InGoal Radio, the podcast.

Thank you, Andrew. Love it when people write in and let us know that, they're listening to the show.

We're also partners on the, Thursday night Special ops Pickles men's league team. Win a lot more when and replace than than than when I play. He's, he's an awesome dude.

People don't realize how good it is for us to hear from them that they're listening, whoever you are out there, because there's just the three of us here on this recording session. We don't get to see the reaction of people on the other side of the speakers, do we? So please info at ingoalmag.com. Let us know you're out there.

And they always have a thought about Woody. That's the first and foremost, the thought about Woody. His interviews, his conversations, his last questions, it's all about Woody. And then we get into the rest they get into the rest conduct a conversation with Kevin Woodley and Pete Fry, the goalie mindset guy. And we also have the Gear Segment, which is going to go with the CCM the pro chesty there.

And the parent segment will also focus on the mindset. So the chesty is the soul of the equipment, and we've got the mind with the parent segment and the feature interview.

Well, not to get too far ahead of ourselves, but the CCM chesty is your first opportunity to have the mindset of an NHL goaltender because for the first time ever, CCM is selling their pro chest protector, their NHL chest protector at retail. So there's a little tease for that segment that's coming up with Cam.

Oh, that's, that'll be interesting to find out exactly what the Pro Chesty offers compared to the retail Chesty from protection, from bulk, because you all gotta wonder whether there's less bulk because it's under the guidelines of the National Hockey League. So we'll we'll get into that in a lot more detail. We've got TendyFest. If you if you wanted to give the the Pro chesty an opportunity or a little bit of a twirl, might be that chance there. It is coming up at TendyFest in less than a month.

June 15 at Fleetwood Arena, 1PM. Make sure you check out all the social media, Facebook, Instagram, X, Twitter, whatever they're calling it these days. For the Hockey Shop goal, check out the hockeyshop.com. Cam has got all kinds of things ready for us on June 15. And as you said, Daren, first and foremost, an opportunity to try the latest and the greatest in including not just the CCM pro chest protector we're gonna talk about today, but the new Bauer shadow line, which we're gonna talk about next week.

I guess we're gonna start talking about it next week because there's multiple pieces. So you'll be able to get on the ice in all that gear. Try it out. Try out custom radius, custom profiles on your skates. Thanks to the folks at Pro Sharp.

And, of course, that new Bauer line, if you got any questions about it, make sure you just go to the hockey shop at thehockeyshop.com. It's all available now. I think they've even got a quick written review on it. So for everyone that's got any questions, hit them up. Whether it's TendyFest and a chance to try the new Bauer, the new CCM, or you just wanna go straight out and buy it without trying it, hit them up at thehockeyshop.com.

They've got you covered.

Do you need tickets to Tendy Fest? You do not.

You do not.

You do not need tickets to Tendy Fest, but it is recommended to sort of check-in, try and find some time windows to make sure you can try the gear.

They have a Facebook, page, which we will be linking to elsewhere as well, but you can, I'm sure you can find it through their own Facebook page, The Hockey Shop, has an event page, and they would like it if you would RSVP. Again, you can just show up, but it's just a help to them if you RSVP so they have a idea of how many people they're getting ready for.

And I'm sure it would be busy right at the start. Is is there a time where a light up. There there's no real, like, soft spot in in the day where people could target.

No. Because if you wait too long hoping there's a soft spot, you might run the risk of being at the back of a line that ends eventually.

Come early.

Because they have they have to cut it off.

Come early. Get your name in line for the gear that you wanna try. And if you have to wait a little bit, come over and talk hockey with us. That's right.

Hang out with InGoal Mag and InGoal Radio, the podcast. Oh, well, the last time I was there, you had stickers.

You and those stickers. I hope you have some because you're are you just are these hints you dropped all time? No.

Just that's what I remember was was the stickers, and they went over they went over like crazy. It was good. Probably a

good I remember remember us talking to Tristan Jarry. Like, you know, that that that was the high you know? But, you know, the stickers too. The stickers

were good. Stickers were really good.

Shannon, Shannon Sabados one year. That was pretty awesome. That's right.

Mhmm. Was that the same year?

No. It was not the same

year. This is the sixth. Yeah. See, this is the sixth, so they all kinda we've had a lot of them. They they're so much fun that it's hard to tell one from the other.

I think the highlight though was Daren coming.

I I loved coming. I loved hanging out with you guys.

It's probably the only in person company meeting we've ever had.

Yes. Well, because you guys won't come to Vegas. Silence. See that? Hear that?

Got silence. Just silent.

We wanna come. We want to come.

We've got the feature interview. We've got the parent segment. We've got the Gear Segment, but we should also talk about what's going on in hockey right now and really cool journey for Stuart Skinner during these playoffs. He was in, he was out, and now he's back in. And a couple of games into the Western Conference final, he's played extremely well.

What have you seen from Stuart Skinner, Woody?

He looks a little more relaxed, a little less tense, letting the play come to him for sure. The Oilers are playing at a top level defensively. I think that's something that's been underrated about their team. It's it's been part of of their turnaround this season since mid November, And it allows him to sort of when he's playing well to just sort of replays and and, you know, just sort of play a neutral depth spot to spot game. It's when things get a little crazy.

He's a big body, and it's tough sometimes to move that big body around with a bit of a narrow butterfly when the things get a little crazy around him. So as they've kept it controlled, he's just been great positionally. You know, when Stu's on his game, his hands are relaxed. He's making nice reactive saves up top with the hands, and I we've seen a lot of that in the past three games, you know, since coming back into this or past four games now. You know, just talking to him after game seven, like, after he did his scrum in game seven, pulled him aside, and just asked him where he went to mentally.

And he mentioned the fear factor. And he talked about just embracing it and just saying, well, I won't use the word he say, but the heck with it. Like, just okay. It's there. Acknowledge it.

Embrace it. Play with it. Play through it. Don't think about it. Just go.

relaxed equals reactive. What what have we heard all those years? Tension is the enemy of goaltending.

And so there seems to be a little more of a he seems a little more relaxed here since getting back into the net. And I think you see that when he's stiff and his hands stiffen up, it's when you lose that reactive ability. So relaxed equals reactive. What what have we heard all those years? Tension is the enemy of goaltending.

It looked like there's a little tension in his game early in that second round against the Canucks, and it seems to have disappeared since the break.

That's something we've heard a little bit, recently, just embracing every shot, every rush, every zone entry by the opposition. Like, wanting those opportunities to come your way, and that displays or dispels any type of tenseness.

Sounds like a little bit of a preview today's featured guest. The goalie mindset versus the athlete mindset. You're describing the athlete mindset, Daren.

In the sense of

wanting Just embracing those opportunities, wanting those things to happen even further, wanting your team to take penalties so that you can shine and wanting the breakaway to happen so that you can shine, anticipating all the things that could happen, but embracing them is a good thing.

And coincidentally, Pete has worked with Stu in the past. Now not they don't work together now, but Pete talks about some of their experiences as part of our interview.

Awesome stuff. Can't wait for that in the NHL Sense Arena feature interview. The guy standing at the other end has stood up big. I know that the time of this recording, it's one one, but, boy, Jake Oettinger has made a statement so far in this set.

Yeah. He's been really good since sort of late season. Right? And there's another guy he came in here in Vancouver as part of that late season run and had a chance to sort of sit down and talk to him and ask him, you know, what's changed. And as his season went a direction away from where he wanted it to go because this was regular season was his worst statistically in the National Hockey League.

Right? Like, this wasn't what we're expecting out of Jake Oettinger, and we all know what expectations can do to mindset. And I think for a while there, he felt like he was focusing on the wrong things, like trying too hard to erase everything that had happened so far rather than just letting go and focusing on what was coming and letting the game come to him. And I think that that sorta that balance between wanting to do well and trying to too hard to trying too hard. And we talk again about tension.

Like, you know, he pretty much just told me he just let it come. Now there's some tactical adjustments that you can see in his game from the start of the season through the midseason to the end of the season. And now, there was a tendency at times to play with a little drift, I thought, during the season when he was struggling. Almost little sort of reverse c-cuts onto his heels that make it really hard to sort of track and stay on top of pucks, and there were lots more going through them than we're used to seeing. And that seems to, for the most part, be gone in the playoffs.

And here in the third round in the Western Conference final, the adjustment that I really like is he is using his overlap way more selectively to the eye test than he was earlier. And there were times where the overlap like, we know it's effective in certain situations, but there were times where it was causing him issues. I think even in the Colorado series, there were a couple of sequences with guys walking off the wall where it's an end zone play, but it's got a bit of a rush element sort of coming out of the corner a little bit downhill, and he's overlapping on him and then just going around behind the net. And then in the scramble is on to catch up on the other side. And so I honestly thought that was something the Oilers were gonna go to town on.

They've got a couple of plays they run off the PP that would have really sort of put a lot of stress on those decisions if he had gone into overlap, and yet it's McDavid coming down the left side with an option to shoot. So I understand wanting to take a little more ice and cut off that angle a little more if you did overlap, and he hasn't. He's tucking inside his post. He's playing between the post. He's managing his net play situations very effectively, and I think that's one of the reasons we're seeing such good results.

Because if he hadn't, if he'd had any of the sort of slippage in his net play, whether it's overlap or just not clean exits and entries or bumps from one side to the other with the back leg getting left behind, I think you'd see a lot more goals already because the Oilers have really tried to work him down low and he's had every answer so far. So that's a that's a major adjustment it feels like. And and maybe I'm overstating it because I only watch the goals in video for the breakdowns, but it feels like he's using it a lot less against the Oilers and he's being a lot more effective and selective with with when he does.

How extreme are the adjustments during the course of a static playoff run by a goaltender as teams get really deep into the specific scouting details of a net minder?

I don't think you can change your game in the playoffs. Like, I don't think you can learn new things or reinvent the wheel. Like, in Edmonton, I do radio there, and they're like, can Stuart be more aggressive? We need to get him out to the top of the crease because deflections and tips, everything. But that's not his game.

It's never been his game. Like, in certain situations, on certain reads, will he get to the top edge? Yeah. But for the most part, he's always played three quarter depth. Because if he gets to the top of the crease and it hits something or even if it's a rebound, again, narrow butterfly.

He's just laterally not going to be as quick to recover back to those posts or to take up that space, that extra space he's taken to give it to get it back on those opportunities. Like, he plays a game that's effective for his strengths. Why would you ask him to play to his weaknesses? And that's what everyone has said. Get out to the top of the crease is doing.

So you're not gonna make those changes, I don't think, just because it's the playoffs. But for sure, come the postseason, your game gets picked apart in the playoffs, like, at no other point in your career. And we've seen trends and tendencies get tied to guys and stick with them throughout their career to the point where they do need to make adjustments. But I don't think you change who you are. You can adjust your tactics, but you're not learning a new technique in the middle of the postseason, you know, because somebody's attacking something.

Well, it's the old do you think out there you're dead too, isn't it? I mean, if you focus too much on a specific change you need to make, you're not gonna be playing the way you need to play. You have to play instinctively. And with all these things that you're describing, there's a give and take to everything, think, is the point, isn't it, Woody, that you can look at Stuart's game and say, this situation, you should have done this. Well, as soon as you do that, you're giving up something else again, as you're mentioning, and, and that give and take is so important.

And I think also you have to remember that that every individual is different in the information that they want, aren't they? We've talked about this with the the shootout and scouting the shootout. I mean, some guys want all the information, some guys just wanna be reactive and want none of the information. So it's not so simple as to say, it's the playoffs. How do guys react?

I think it depends on the individual involved.

Well, interestingly enough, and and I said about guys not changing their game, but Arturs Silovs in game one against Edmonton got caught with old habits in his post play, in particular, way outside his post and swimming and stranded. And he actually won that game. But if you watched how he was playing, it was very uncharacteristic, and it wasn't gonna be effective for long because the Oilers had a had exposure there that they just frankly missed on. And so they had a day off the next day. And then game two morning skate, him and Ian Clark went to absolute town working on his entries and his exits and getting him inside out into the post with a 30 degree angle, things that weren't there in game one.

And I watched it, and I actually thought maybe he wasn't playing that night. I thought, my god. They're gonna go to they're gonna go to Casey DeSmith here. There's no way you're going to this level of sort of remedial isn't the right word, but you're it's a back debate. It was a back to basics on post play form.

Just reinforcing how he should be doing it because he hadn't been doing it in that game. And you saw him, like, repping it out and repping it out. Even after Ian left the ice, he stayed out there repped it out. And he started game two. And those habits, not only were they there the rest of the series for the most part, a couple steep entries, but for the most part, inside out, 30 degrees off the goal line.

But they helped him make saves in that series moving forward because the Oilers were going to town on it. By the time they pulled the goalie, they they were attacking specifically from below the bottom of the circle, and they almost scored. They had one that went right under his pad right through the other side if they'd actually aimed at the net instead of a pass it was in. All those habits were fixed for the rest of the series. So there's an example of, hey, man.

You've drifted away from this. This is our staple. Let's get back to our staple. And it allowed him to make a bunch of saves he doesn't otherwise if he doesn't correct his post entry. So it does happen, Daren.

I just don't know there. I think it's more about reinforcing habits that were always there as opposed to changing how a goalie plays or trying to teach him something new in the middle of the postseason.

From the foundation, you get to the just reaction. And Jake Oettinger has made a couple of those saves, including the one on Connor McDavid that everybody was talking about. He had some help. Like, there there is some help there, but that that was just wonderful to see where doesn't matter whether you're the NHL guy or the eight year old. You're just making it up as as you as you go along in some of these situations.

I think against the Oilers, you have to.

Yeah. Yeah. You sure you don't know what's gonna happen. They're so creative. And and I think one of the interesting things about all that is where's that line?

Everybody can talk about you need to be reactive and you need to be instinctive, but where's that line where you have to break from technique? I think in that situation, of course, it was obvious it was time to break from technique. But some people get stuck in trying to be perfect and then they they can't make that save. Some people break from technique a little too early. And then who's got that physical ability to break from technique but maintain some reserves so that you can still make another play, whether it's, the physical reserve, the balance, the, it's it's a fascinating game.

Let me give you an example. I mean, it's just because it's the one I'm closest to. Right? And then there's examples of, you know, Stu doing the same thing, and there's examples of everyone.

Yeah. I know where you're

going. But we talk about our we talk about game seven and the pressure that comes with game seven, and look at Arturs Silovs. So the rebound save a minute thirty seven into that game, going left to right, full splits, pad along the ice. I think most goalies are lucky to get a pad there, but he actually gets it with the blocker off Kulak because he's built vertical coverage. And it reminded me, as a matter of fact, we're gonna have a post up at ingoalmag.com that that I'll work on today because I promised Hutch I would get this done, and it makes a ton of sense as we talk about it.

That is technique. It's a desperation moment, but there's a whole series of drills we've run-in InGoal Magazine with Vancouver Canucks goalie coach Ian Clark about hand in support, all about the different moments and how you make sure you get that coverage above the pad, whether it's with a glove or with a blocker. And so then so so that's one that immediately I thought of that drill series, and that's where the technical work and the athleticism combine. But then later in the same game, he gets absolutely locked in at not locked in, but he commits at the top of the crease as you would because it's Connor McDavid with an open look. And McDavid, it might have even been Newge, but one of them funnels off to Leon Draisaitl at the bottom of left circle, and he's got a wide open empty net.

And Arturs goes head first Superman dive, gets a little help in that Ian Clark partially blocks the shot, but then reacts to the change in direction by smothering it with his glove amid full Superman head first dive. Like, so there's one where what looks like desperate athleticism actually has a mix of technique and another where it's just right back to instinct, eyes on the puck, and I'm going to do everything I can to get my my, you know, head first dive hands over there to get it. So it's a nice juxtaposition too, and it's still even after we can walk through it a million times, and I can't tell you where that line delineates. Like, where where where do you go from one to the other? It's it all depends on the individual and how I guess, whether he thinks he can get there with the proper technique or whether it's time to just go right outside the butterfly box, dial 911, and do whatever you can.

It's another reason there's no replacement for playing games as a goaltender.

You're right about that. Because practice does not give you those situations where you have to be desperate, where there's consequences to the situation and the safe selections.

And and unfortunately, the shooters don't help us in that situation either. I mean, if you're a coach out there, I really respect the goalie coaches I've watched that push the shooters, and and let the shooters realize that it's actually for their own good as well. How many times do you see in goalie camps and goalie drills where things just about hit that desperation mode mode and then the players go into sort of half speed, mess around, don't quite do it like they would in a game. They're not helping themselves because they're not learning what they need to do in a game, and they're sure not helping the goalie.

And one more fun moment example of that. I mean, now Daren asked me how I was doing coming off of game seven, the high of it when we first started talking off the air. I guess I still remember a bunch of it. Ryan Nugent Hopkins, man. Have I got nothing but bouquets for that guy?

The game winner in that game on the power play? Puck shot from the other side off the end boards. When it hits his stick near the bottom of the left circle or between the bottom of left circle and the hash, there is nothing in the net. Arturs Silovs is completely out of the net as that puck gets to his stick because it's it's deflected and off the end boards and right to him. Bang.

Bang. And he picks a corner. And even skilled guys in the NHL, nine times out of 10 are putting that into the middle of an empty net. Newge goes top shelf, short side high into the corner. And out of nowhere, Silovs comes flying across.

And if he doesn't pick that corner, it's a save. And I actually talked to Newge again after the scrum was over, pulled him aside for a little one on one for nhl.com, asked him how many times he scored the game seven winner growing up down the street from Rogers Arena in Burnaby, rode hockey with it. So I got a good quote there. But then I also asked him, hey. Like, you picked the corner there.

Like, most guys are shooting that. It was an empty net. He goes, no. We we knew we had we had I can't remember. He used the word hell.

He had so much respect for that guy that if I don't pick the corner, he's gonna find a way to get a piece of it. So great example of a shooter knowing not to just put it into an empty net in the middle of it. Again, make the goalie work if you're in a drill and a practice. And, again, another example of Arturs is not giving up because if most shooters would have and he would have made that save, maybe we're talking about a different result overall.

Heck of a compliment for a young goaltender.

Yeah. It was. It was. I I gotta feel like I gotta dig the quote out now to get it right to do it justice, but that was that was already, like, 10 stories ago for nhl.com, so it'll take a search.

I do think it should be illegal to pick corners. Just my opinion.

It it is in beer league.

Gear

Just off the head in warm up. We've got our Gear Segment coming up brought to you by the Hockey Shop Source for Sports, the hockeyshop.com. Are you guys leaning into the new CCM Pro Chesty? It's not new necessarily than CCM Pro Chesty has been around. It's a new model, but it's a new availability to people.

It is first time ever. And I gotta say, the most popular chest protector in the National Hockey League is CCM's pro models. The one that preceded this one is still being used a fair bit, and now this one taking it over. The one that preceded it, you could only get it at gear sales, team sales, from another NHL goalie. You couldn't buy it at retail.

CCM decided to flip the script a little bit and bring this one to the masses. I know a lot of people are excited about it. Tons of protection. Let's get into it with Cam. We'll let him fill the rest of it fill us in on the rest of it.

Welcome back to The Hockey Shop Source for Sports. I'm here in Goalie Utopia with Cam Matwiv showing you a model that I believe InGoal were the first ones to show you on Instagram a long time ago sitting in the locker stall of one Thatcher Demko with the Coming from the guy himself that is in every single NHL locker room.

Coming from the guy himself that is in every single NHL locker room.

No. All the teams, but usually here.

Yes. Exactly. Exactly. So we have some firsthand knowledge from this chest as reported. First

This is a pro chest.

This is a pro chest.

And in the past for CCM, pro chest were NHL only. Yes. But not anymore. No. 24.

See, says right there. Pro use only. So you're not allowed? No.

I can. I can. Anybody can. See, it's at retail now. That's why we're talking about it here today.

For the first time ever, CCM's pro NHL chest protector is going to be available at retail. CCM's chest protectors are by far the most used in the National Hockey League. Walk me through.

Alright. So let's talk about this a little bit more. So first things that kind of jump out to us right off the bat, arms in this thing. Great overall size. Actually great flexibility too as well, but man are they beefy.

So we like the beef. Again, this chest 100% through and through design for those elite level, highest level shots that you could potentially be facing.

Not my Tuesday night beer league crew, but I'll wear

it anyways. But somebody in your Tuesday night beer league crew may or may not have played some sort of high level hockey, may not or not know how to clap a puck properly and you know what? This is gonna keep you protected. So some quick notes about that. So one of the things you are gonna find is that, yes, there is gonna be a breaking curve for a chest like this.

For something that is going to be, you know, that high level of padding, it's not gonna be the most easily flexible thing out of a box. But that's fine because we are looking for

I'm be honest. It's pretty flexible out of the box there. Yes. I mean, for sure.

Mean, you're move around.

But yeah. So one

of things you all notice too as well will be shoulder floaters. Moving on next too as well. So more tapered and rounded, especially up top. So this is conforming with those NHL rules as well. Kevin, turn around really quickly.

So if you look actually at the shoulders, there's no Velcro adjustment here either. Once again NHL legal. In rules with the NHL legal style of chest protectors. So hold your arms out. Don't ask me about

the ones that have Velcro on it and are still being used in the NHL because they shouldn't be legal.

Mister, I'm in every single room. You look, we still have Velcro adjustment for the arms themselves, so we have the ability to pull those up or down so we can dial in their fit. So the way the sizing works, really quickly touching on that with the chest, you'll see fit one, two, three, four, small, medium, large, extra large. It's a way to approach it. That's how a CCM approaches their high level fits too as well.

D three o heart guard, massive, extremely protective. You do have that absorption factor for the chest as well. So nice being able to create a little shots in particular.

Speaking of protection, that belly flap feels beefed.

Exactly. Exactly. And again, we're like reiterating Ribs really well protected. Exactly. Exactly.

Everything about this chest is gonna be thicker and more beefed up in comparison to some of the other ones that you see. Hold your arms out again and then turn to your side. If you notice, Velcro adjustment on the side. So this would be in terms of for your body adjustment and your overall feel wise. Keep turning.

Similar backplate to we've seen from seeing the previous CCM chest as well. You still have that same breathability, but again, if heat is your concern, you might be better off looking at an EFlex six pressure protector where they have that actual suspended and molded three d molded backplate.

Can I turn back around, Cam?

Yes, you can. So Love the

way the elbows fit. Like, just feels like it it pops in there and it's got a nice sort of like, it's not sloppy around the elbows. No. Sort of you have ability to secure them, lock them in.

And extremely hard elbow cap too as well. So if you do happen to land down on that ice, you are protected. You are covered. And you gotta deal with pests

in the NHL. So every once in a while

Yeah.

That feels great.

Excellent option from CCM this year. Definitely something worth checking out if you're looking for that elite high level chest protector. You wanna learn more about it? You can call (604) 589-8299 or 1-800-567-7790. Once again, you can flip back through some of the older Professional use only.

Professional use only. You can flip back through some of the older InGoal articles and you can even find out a little bit of a quick blurb about the initial beginnings of this chest. We will see this more and more. Check it out.

Already seen it in the NHL. Will say you don't have to. We make jokes about professional. Obviously, you can use it for Tuesday night beer league. If you're like me, soft as butter and don't feel like bruises and feeling puck should be part of your enjoyment playing hockey, this is the type of unit you're gonna want.

I love it already. Alright. Thanks, Cam.

I'm excited to see that in person just to get an idea of we we are lucky enough, Woody and I, to be in NHL dressing rooms. We see what the the National Hockey League players and American Hockey League goaltenders are wearing. But to see the comparison to retail is is going to be I think it was gonna be fascinating.

Got them both in the garage. They are fantastic. Oh, you do? Yeah. You might get to see them in NHL locker rooms, but I can walk to the garage and see both the retail and the pro model.

Thank you.

Have you tried them on to see a little

No. We ordered we ordered the adult sizes.

Oh, ouch. Ouch. I thought this show started with you being nice

to me. Sorry, Hutch. I couldn't resist.

You know what, Daren? I'll consider that my homework for this week. I'm gonna go put them on later.

I'm just curious to see how they feel.

There's quite a significant difference between the two. Take a take a look at the Gear Segment over on YouTube this week because don't forget, we publish everything on YouTube as well and, see if you can pick out the differences because both models have now been up there.

Parent Playbook

Protect your body so your mind can do the work for you. And that is the theme of today's episode, working with everything that you've got between the ears. We've got Pete Fry coming up in our NHL Sense Arena feature interview. But up next, the Stop It Goaltending U, the app parent segment. David, you wanna focus on parents helping their goaltenders with this mindset.

Nope. Not really, actually. Well, partly, mostly just the parents' mindset. But I also wouldn't mind if Woody wanted to say a few things about Stop It Goaltending U first.

Yeah. Stop It Goaltending U, the app, is basically they take all those twenty five plus years of experience of Stop It Goaltending U. Brian Daccord, goaltending coach, director of goaltending in the National Hockey League for years, all the goalie coaches that he's worked with there, and they put it onto your phone into an app, the world's most comprehensive app for goalies, goalie parents, and goalie coaches. And now thanks to a partnership with InGoal Magazine, we've combined. So not only do you get everything that they bring you in the app, and it really is an incredible tool, but you get a free subscription to InGoal Magazine.

So all of our resources combined with all of their resources, it's basically the best thing in goaltending if you wanna become a better goaltender. And the beauty of it is it's not something you need to do all day every day. You can just they've got five new primers every week, quick videos, and then one full video. Thirty minutes a week, and you will become a better goalie, better goalie parent, and a better goalie coach. So make sure you check check out Stop It Goaltending U, the app, which now gives you free access to InGoal Magazine, ingoalmag.com as well.

You can find it at the Google Play Store, the Apple App Store, or search it up online through Stop It Goaltending. Stop It Goaltending U, the app. It's a great way to become a better goalie.

You can go down a rabbit hole too, and it's so far more productive and helpful than Instagram or YouTube. Going down the Stop It Goaltending U the app. It's awesome.

What? I gotta ask, Daren. What have you gotten into on it? Because I know you've been on it a fair bit. I'm getting into it this week.

Like, have you done the drills? Have you done the where are you going with it?

Yeah. With the drills that that they offer up. Little little short drills from from goaltenders in their gear, top top flight goaltenders and being able to offer that. It's it's it's fascinating and some of them are a little bit tweaked compared to their personal style of the net minders that are offering the drill, and it's it's just get get your mind going a little bit towards options towards your safe selection. And they're short.

They're not long. And boom, you're on to the next one. You're on to the next one. Away you go. So let's get into the mindset of the parents.

And it's interesting that you bring this up because everything is focused on the athletes themselves. But what can the parent do, or how can the parent get ready for this journey?

Well, Daren, in the feature interview this week, you're gonna hear a lot of stuff from Pete about how he helps goaltenders and how he works with goaltenders. And one of the things that stood out to me was that he told Woody in it that, he doesn't work specifically with parents. He doesn't have specific techniques. We'll talk a little bit more about that later. But I actually found that there's a lot of stuff in there that really does apply to us as parents.

And, look, we we all believe that mindset is important for goaltenders. I don't think there's any question about that. And you want your son or daughter to take mindset seriously. Maybe you do it because you have shared an article from InGoal about mindset with them. Maybe you've shared some good clips on social media.

Maybe you read a book on the subject with them. Maybe, and I hope you are, you're considering Pete's seminar this summer, the live or the virtual version. But what have you done as a goalie parent thinking about your own mindset? I think it's really important. Look, being a goalie parent, guys, as you know, is the most difficult job in the rink for parents, and you need to look after yourself.

And you want your kid to play for the enjoyment of the game. I think you enjoy deserve to enjoy it just as much as as they do. I also mean looking after your mindset, is important for your young goalie, Daren. I you brought that up. You're the number one example that your goaltender has with everything that they that you do.

They're learning. Your mindset's gonna teach them how to behave in any particular situation. So as much as I'm talking today about looking after your own mindset, it's gonna affect them as well and help them enjoy the game more or be better goaltenders. Pete mentions later that at most of his locations where he gives these seminars, if you send your son or daughter to it, you're welcome to join them as well. And of course, if you do the virtual one, you can sit there and and listen to it together as well.

Like I said, he doesn't do specific training for for parents, but I think that if you listen to some of the content today and at a seminar, you're gonna find some cool ways that they can apply to you specifically. So I'm I'm giving every parent out there some homework today. I'd like you to listen to Pete's interview. I'd like you to think about how it will help your goaltender of course. But I want you to ask yourself, how does this apply to me?

Pete wants your goaltender to have a clear picture of where they're going, what they're reaching for. I'm gonna suggest that every goalie parent should also have a clear picture for themselves as a goalie parent this season.

Some of it's gonna feel like a stretch but some of it absolutely can help you as it's helped me and I'll I'll admit today that I've I've strayed from some of it as well and I and I wish I hadn't. We're gonna talk right now about one of the ones that he begins with all the time and that's have a clear picture. Pete wants your goaltender to have a clear picture of where they're going, what they're reaching for. I'm gonna suggest that every goalie parent should also have a clear picture for themselves as a goalie parent this season. Take a few moments, ask yourself, what does my son or daughter need in support from me?

How do I wanna carry myself the night before a game, the morning of a game, at the game, in the car afterwards on the way home? I think you should make a plan. I'm gonna make a plan. And if it helps, you should write it down. I think we all get swept up in routine, guys, in in any day.

We're we're busy people. We do the same thing every day, every game, ultimately just sort of reacting to situations instinctively, rather than thoughtfully. And just as we hope our kids want to improve one game to the next, I think we can hope for ourselves the same thing as goalie parents. So do you keep your son or daughter level headed the night before by being calm and casual just the way you'd like them to be in a game? Or do you get caught up in the excitement and talk about the big game tomorrow, how great it would be to get a shutout or beat such and such a team?

How do you think talking like that the night before a game is going to affect their mindset or or yours? The morning of the game, are you calm and cool or do you get flustered when something goes wrong? Like stuck in traffic, can't find something in the house you needed to bring that day, or the classic, your goalie probably, or maybe even you gets behind in time and you're feeling like you're gonna be late to the rink. How do you react to that? Do you just focus and control what you can control or do you move do you, overreact to it?

Do you let your mood affect your day and your goalie's game as well? How about at the game, guys? Do you get nervous? Do you get anxious? Do you show others that you're nervous and anxious, or do you just hold it inside and do it to yourself?

But or maybe you react the way you'd like to and you cheer, you enjoy the game. What's your clear picture for how you wanna perform as a goalie parent this season in that game situation before the game. What do you need to do to enjoy the game the most? And here's where I'm gonna admit that I've strayed a little bit from my clear picture. I was a bundle of nerves last year as a goalie parent, just reacting.

I let it control me. But how does that help anybody? Certainly makes me miserable to hang out with, as Woody will tell you, from coming to a couple of games with me this year. It takes me away from being able to enjoy seeing my son do what he loves best And it doesn't help me even a little bit to be that way. Now, I'm lucky enough.

I'm at the stage where my son doesn't live with us during the season. So the mood that I have on game day certainly doesn't help him as a player. But I can tell you if he did live at home, the way I behaved on game days this year would be harmful to him as well. I haven't always been that person. I'm a different goalie parent every year it seems, and there's a whole lot of reasons for that.

But that's why I really like the idea that Pete has of having a clear picture. Have a clear picture as a goalie parent this year. Maybe you do it because you know what your plan is. Maybe you reflect on some games that you felt you were at your best as a goalie parent this year. Write it down and review it throughout the year.

Ask yourself, how's it going? How can you be closer to your ideal this week, this game, whatever it is? Because we want our kids to focus every game on improving as well. So I think as parents, we can do the same thing. If you try this, maybe a few more of Pete's techniques as you listen in and hear what he has to say today, I promise you'll have a more enjoyable this season as a goalie parent, and your goalie will play better and enjoy the game even more as a result as well.

Mindset for parents.

Well said. I I was like checklisting all the things that I do wrong.

We all do. Like I said, we all just react. Right? But I think we can be mindful about how we act that it's gonna make us happier.

Woody, I'm happy you said that because there is a long stretch where I felt like Hutch was talking directly to me.

It both of us.

So Mostly to himself as I always do. Right? I work at home alone. I talk to myself.

But but but it's amazing how we all interpret that and we're like, oh, yeah. I do that. I might do that a little bit. And I'm sure you listening right now have had the same experience as us. Some great points, Hutch.

And I love the idea of of making a list and and revisiting it just as reminders or see what you're doing well along the way.

It almost applies to to warm up. You know? Like, our goaltenders have a warm up because they wanna get in the right mindset. They wanna be in the right physical preparation for a game. We should probably do that as parents, like, the day before a game almost.

Let's just take a moment to prepare for what's about to come. Certainly, if you're somebody who doesn't react as well as you'd you'd like to, I think you need to prepare yourself for that. That revisiting it is so important.

Well and not just when you're trying to get them out the house or getting taking them to a game, but how you manage your own recreational athletics. Like, how many times have I gone running out of the house? Oh, crap. I'm late. I didn't have time to stretch.

Haven't done. And then they and then they see that as an example. Hopefully, an example of what not to do, but, like, I can I found examples as you're going through there of things I've done as a parent trying to get my daughter out the house to volleyball or reacting poorly when she's not ready because she hasn't got her shoes or she's forgotten something and blowing up rather than just being like so how does that help her mindset as well as my own games and my own, you know, weekly routines and how I'm not prepared to get out the door into the rink on time? It's I'm gonna go to the corner feels shame, but, I'm gonna take notes. I'm gonna take notes while I do, so I'll be better next time.

Yeah. I think that piece about how we react setting an example is so important. And and like I said, I I was not at my best last season. I don't think in in a lot of ways. I think one of the things I've done really well is I do not overreact, to many situations and there's there's a lot of reasons I've learned to be that way.

But my son and I took so many trips over the years and just as one example, you can't leave for anywhere here pretty much without hopping on a ferry. And inevitably in the summertime, that means you arrive and you wait for two, three sailings, five, six hours. Sometimes it gets really bad. One of the things I've always done well is, who cares? There's literally nothing we can do about it.

So pull out the ball gloves, throw a ball around, have a good time. And I think he's learned to be that person as well so that when things get tough, like your reaction is, nothing I can do, move on. We can teach that to our parents through how our kids through how we react to situations too.

Let's hope he doesn't take all of your advice.

No. Well, he's got a mother with a lot of good examples.

lot good examples.

Gives him all the good examples.

No. I was more speaking about as as I listened to you right now, you're wearing a a hoodie with the headphones over top of the the hoodie. It's it's a look. I think it's one of those ones where we we observe it and we say, maybe we should

be Do like me to reflect on this? Well, fortunately, this is not on video. Our gear segments are. This is not. One day, maybe it will be, in which case, I will behave much better, Daren.

I'll I I think it's an interesting look.

I like to be warm.

It all does flow into our feature interview brought to you by NHL Sense Arena with Pete Fry, but NHL Sense Arena continues to do some great things and offer some huge opportunities for our goaltenders.

Yeah. NHL Sense Arena is an amazing off ice training tool. Our theme today with our guest and and our parent segment, of course, was mindset. So not to stretch an analogy a little too far, I would like to talk about how I think NHL Sense Arena can be a great tool for working on your mindset as a goaltender. Consider something that's really important with mindset.

Another thing that Pete will talk about today is your hype level. So how about you put your headset on and you go through a warm up in Sense Arena? Maybe it's one that you like to do already, maybe it's one of the built in programs because they've got lots of built in training programs there, including Joey Daccord's warm up. Now work through it in that virtual space, but keep your attention a 100% on your hype level. How excited are you?

Are you in the right place you need to play your best? And you can try some of the things you learned from Pete in here and ask yourself as you're warming up, how are you feeling? Are you too relaxed? Are you too excited? Are you at just the right level to make the most saves?

And one of the great things is it doesn't matter how many of the pucks go in. There's nobody judging you but you because you're in the virtual world of NHL Sense Arena. It lets you control the situation to make it for your best advantage. Maybe you want to do some drills in NHL Sense Arena and ask yourself, how are you going to react when you don't come up with a save? You can rehearse that in NHL Sense Arena.

What's your reaction to a puck going past you? Or as Pete talks about and as I talked about in the parent segment, how about having a clear picture? To Pete, that's having a very specific picture like I will be the starting goaltender for the Montreal Canadiens. Well, in NHL Sense Arena, you can experience that. You can walk into the locker room for the Montreal Canadiens.

You can be wearing their jersey as you're out there on the ice in an NHL rink competing against other NHL teams. Pete talks about writing this down or maybe making up a picture of yourself like that, but is there anything more realistic than doing this in NHL Sense Arena? It's the most realistic off ice training you can do. You can do it every day, all year long, and you're a 100% in control so that you can use it to help whatever the game area of the game that you want to work on. From reading releases to dealing with screens to developing the proper mindset as a goaltender.

Try it this week.

Feature Interview - Pete Fry

Awesome stuff. And that leads us right into Pete Fry.

Really excited to welcome back to the InGoal Radio Podcast. Third time appearance. Not quite a record, Pete, but you're up there with a very, very, very elite few. Pete Fry, the goalie mindset guy, who we will be doing a in person and online camp with this summer, July 20 here in Vancouver. You can also we'll have information soon about how you can sign up for online.

Pete, end of the season for a lot of goalies. Heading into the off season, there's rest. There's preparation. Goalies head into summer start working on their bodies, their strength, their power, their technique. They work with their goalie coaches.

But if there was one thing I took away from our interview with one of your clients this year, Cayden Primeau, the Montreal Canadiens, It was that he stressed how working on your mind and your mindset needs to be a daily thing just like all those other elements of goaltending and not something we wait until things aren't going well to figure out. And so I figured as we head into the off season, we'd bring you on and talk about, you know, how goalies can make sure they're ready next season mentally as well as physically and technically. So, with that in mind, what we'll start, I guess, with, you know, why why you why is it important to do it? Why is this a thing where you need to have it as a daily habit?

Okay. Awesome. First of all, Kev, thanks for having me on, by the way. You are you are a legend.

In my own mind.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You and Hutch and InGoal do such a great job. Every goalie should it should be just part of breathing.

They're subscribing to InGoal. Should be a no brainer. You guys do such a great job there. Honored to be on. Anyways, to answer your question, I'm gonna go back to tell a story about a goaltender that I remember I get a call, a distress call from a goalie's mom.

And she's like, can you please work? I'll say the goalie's first name. Was saying, can you please work with Ethan? He needs work on his mental game. And so I said, okay, well, let's let me have a chat with him first.

Like, let's make sure he wants to work with me. Let's let's have a chat. So I have a chat with him. And I said, I go, Ethan, tell me, what do you do right now to work on your mental game? Do you work on your mental game now?

And he's like, yeah. He goes, I do. I go, okay. What do you do? He goes, well, before a game, I'll do a little visualization.

Like, okay, great. What else do you do? It's like, that's it. I said, okay. And then it clicked.

I said, I know why she's calling because he doesn't work on his mental game. He thinks he does, but he really doesn't. So so I asked him, I go, Ethan, I go, how important is skating for you as a goaltender? Go super important. Do you just leave that and work on that just before a game?

And he's like, no, no, no. I work on it every day in practice. I said, that's how we have to treat the mental game, especially because, you know, you ask almost anyone and you say, what percentage of your success is mental? They'll say a big part of it, they'll say maybe 90%. Some may even say 50%.

To me, it doesn't matter. I think we can agree that it's a big part of our success is a mental game. And if it's a big part of our success, we have to work on it every day. And the thing is, I think you'll find it's actually easier to work on the mental game than it is to work on conditioning, you know, going for a run or sprints and things like that, which are really important for you as well too. But it's actually easy to do to work on the mental game.

To me, it doesn't matter. I think we can agree that it's a big part of our success is a mental game. And if it's a big part of our success, we have to work on it every day. And the thing is, I think you'll find it's actually easier to work on the mental game than it is to work on conditioning, you know, going for a run or sprints and things like that, which are really important for you as well too. But it's actually easy to do to work on the mental game.

You just gotta do it, and we'll share some things on what you can do in this podcast, obviously, to work on it.

Yeah. And that's what I wanna do. Like, so what are some of the things that where you would, you know, that that sort of starting point of things that goalies can start now to make sure that they're mentally stronger for the fall? What would be the first question you'd ask them?

Well, the the first question I would ask them would be, what what do you want out of this? Like, if if you look at yourself now as a goaltender and where you want to go and you have to you have to think big, like you you you you have to think big. And and I get that all the time with goaltenders. I I I can go back to working with with with Jeff Glass, and he actually says it. He says it on on an interview.

It's really funny. He says, you know, when I first met with Pete, I thought he was crazy. Right? He said, I thought he was was crazy. He had me visualizing, dominating in the National Hockey League.

And and and and Jeff said, and I said, Pete, I'll be lucky to get a PTO to the Toronto Maple Leafs. Which actually is what he got to start off with before he ended up playing in the National Hockey League. But my my whole point is, I I believe that you have to think unreasonably. You got to think of like, all goalies that I've worked with that have done great things. It started from what do you wanna do?

Not what do you think you can do? Because a lot of times goalies start from the position of, well, I think I can play here or they hear the scouts talking to the GM talking and they really put a lid on themselves. And so I think it's got to come back to number one. If you ask you your question, if I could play anywhere at all, where do I want to play in the future and come up with that? And then so now you come up with that, then what would you say on the mental side could be holding you back right now?

Or what do you want to get stronger at the mental side to help you get there? Is it is it confidence? Is it, you know, visualization? If you look at Arnold Schwarzenegger, if you I recommend everyone watch on Netflix, the show called Arnold, even just watch the first five minutes of it. He says it all right there.

So Arnold basically says, he says my greatest skill and we all know who are all Schwarzenegger is, The bodybuilder, actor and governor. So he said my greatest skill wasn't, I could build big muscles. It wasn't that that I could act great. It wasn't that I could govern great. He said my biggest skill was that I could visualize things.

I could see things in front of me clearly. And I would say that is the number one skill. And as a goaltender, that's something you can work on all the time. One thing you can do right now is simply grab an apple, take a look at that apple, close your eyes and still see that apple. Right?

Or you can take a look at that apple, close your eyes. If it's a green apple, visualize it as a red apple, visualize it as a yellow apple, like different colors, just simple things like that. It's gonna start to work on your your visualization skills.

What are the when you ask that question, like, and I know that's a big party when you do the one day seminars. That's a big what do you start is why are you here? What are the most common answers you hear from goaltenders in terms of what they're looking to focus on? Because I need help in my mental game is big picture. What are the areas that they tend to want the most?

You mentioned for example, you mentioned confidence. Is that the big one of the biggest ones, or what are some of the other ones?

Yeah. I would say confidence would be a big thing. Bounce back. Like, they'll they'll say how to recover after they don't make a save. So so bounce back is a big thing.

Confidence, you know, bouncing back. I'm not even after not making a save, but also say after not having the best game, things like that. So a lot of confidence, a lot of bounce back. Some will say visualization too, but those are really, I would say, the top two or three common answers are confident, bounce back, and and they will also say getting rid of nerves. They'll say, how do I get rid of feeling so nervous?

So let's let's start let's start with confidence because again, I mean, you know, we had Caden on the show, and so that's just one of your one of many clients, but one we talked to most recently. And the idea that we can it was something he mentioned in his appearance. We think of confidence as this sort of mystic thing that we either have or we don't, and it usually comes from how we play. But you can create it. How?

Great question. And I I always ask this in the seminars. I always say, do you remember the confidence class got at school? And everyone's like, what, what are you talking about? There is no confidence class that they teach at school.

They should. It's a very important skill. And so number one is I'll say, what is confidence? So if you think of what actually is confidence at the end of the day, it's like if you have a penalty shot against you, Kev, it's like you having that feeling of certainty that you're going to make that save or before a game, you're excited. You see yourself as first star.

You see yourself making the saves. That is, is confidence. The opposite of confidence is really nervousness is being super, super nervous because all nervousness is, is the same type of energy, except negative images in the head going through what can go wrong. What do I not want to happen? So so so that's what confidence is that feeling of certainty.

And then you think, where does it come from then? If confidence is certainty, where do I get it from? And so a lot of people say, you get it from success. When you have success, you'll feel confidence. When you're prepared, you'll feel confident.

confidence comes from two main things. Number one is how you move as far as your body. And second are the images in your head. So we can change that right away.

Those help. Yet at the end of the day, if you really step back and look at it, confidence comes from two main things. Number one is how you move as far as your body. And second are the images in your head. So so we can change that right away.

For example, I got an extra exercise for people to do right now. If you're listening, if you're listening right now, I want you to ask yourself right now in this very moment on a scale of one to 10, what level of confidence are my at right now? I might have five and I'm at a seven, I'm at eight, whatever it is. So so now that you have that, I challenge you to do this. I challenge you to imagine you're looking at someone who's not very confident, and I want you to stand or sit in the same way.

Will your shoulders be back or forward? They're gonna be forward if someone's not very confident. Are you looking up or down? That person's gonna be looking down. Will they be smiling or a frown on their face?

They're gonna have a frown on their face. So looking down at the ground, shoulders forward, are they moving quickly with certainty or they moving lethargically and slowly? They're probably going to move slowly in lethargy, moving slowly, looking down at the ground, shoulders forward. And then what images are in their head? Positive images?

No, probably woe is me negative images. Maybe replaying a save not made or a coach that said something negative to them. So do that right now. Put yourself in that position. Hold it there.

Put those negative images in your head. It's not really fun to do. Yet as you do that, I ask you now, what level of confidence are you at now? How much did it drop? Right?

And and a lot of times I'll get, man, I I went from a from a seven down to a two or a one by doing that. Now now here's the key thing. So this is where the the comes into place. If you can create your, if you can lower your confidence, think of it. What else can you do?

You can raise your confidence. So right now, as you're standing there, there, imagine you're looking at someone who's totally confident, shoulders back, breathing deep chin up. Raising your facial muscles right away. You'll start to feel more confident just by doing that. And then put those powerful images in your head.

Images that you're a wall, you're a brick wall, You're a brick wall that stops everything coming your way. You are a great goalie. You're a winner. You're a champion. You are a save machine.

What level of confidence are you at now after doing that? Right? Makes a makes a huge difference. So so you were able to just create your confidence to bring it down and then bring it up just through how you moved and the images in your head. And you think of it all the time.

You'll watch two goalies in the same game. They both won't make a save, but one will be more confident than the other. Or they'll both make saves, one will still be more confident than the other because the image is in their head and how they're moving.

K. So I'm guessing then that part of the technique to manufacture is to understand what images work for us, what phrases, what body language. Are those things those are things that I'm guessing you go through in terms of, like, how we make sure we maintain it even in moments where the situation around us might inspire a lack of confidence?

A 100%. A 100%. So let's say for example, that situation is you don't make a save. Right? Bounce back.

What do you do? What impression do you get when you see a goalie not make a save and then he's staring at the ground? Right? Looking down and it's like, woah, woah, goalie does not look very confident. I guarantee he's not feeling very confident.

But imagine goalie doesn't make a save and it just bounces back up, shoulders back, chin up, smiles. I'll tell guys to smile after not making a save as well too, that'll reset the brain, it'll reboot it, turn it on and off. And so by situations like that, you can make a big impact on your confidence simply through how you move and the images in your head.

I've seen you work on different routines throughout a game for different situations, face offs, things like that. Building that confidence and those confidence triggers into those, is that that sort of a part of these daily practices for getting stronger mentally?

Yes. Yes. Yes. For example, and then going back, I just wanna backtrack to the daily practice and is one of the things you can do every day is simply stand in front of the mirror. Stand in front of the mirror.

Lower your confidence, raise your confidence, lower it, raise it, lower it, raise it. Practice that. Right? Practice that it confidence is a skill. It's no different than an RVH or or a glove saver or a blocker save.

It is a skill. So that'd be one. And then then I want to talk about what you're seeing triggers or anchors as well too. That's a big thing. You'll see a lot of my clients, they will do a specific move like it's kind of like gloves together, elbows back.

And that is a confidence anchor movement where what I'll do is I'll help get them in a peak state of confidence. Then they'll do the movement. So it's the old Pavlov's dogs. Right? You think of Pavlov's dogs.

He basically Pavlov, if someone's unfamiliar with that that story, Pavlov had a dog and he would pull it bring out a steak. The dog would salivate. So he didn't experiment. Every time he would pull out the steak, he would ring a bell. Pull out the steak, ring a bell, the dog would salivate.

Pull out a steak, ring a bell, the dog would salivate. Every time, get the steak out, ring the bell. And then eventually he didn't need the steak because we are our body. Our mind is always connecting things together. It's always anchoring.

It's always doing things through association. And so eventually he could just ring the bell without the steak or the food and dog would salivate. Right? You think of it. Do you ever hear a song and it reminds you of an old girlfriend or can't tell your wife that, Kev, but if you ever hear a song, you know, it reminds you of an event you were out of the past or something like that.

Right? It's it's anchored into you. Right? Yeah. Or when you when you hear that, that YouTube song where the streets have no name or streets have no name, I forget what the name of it is, what what what do you think of?

Canucks intro in the playoffs coming out to onto the ice. There we go.

Bingo. There that is anchored in. Anchored in. And so yeah. So what I'll do with goalies is I'll I'll get them to the peak state of confidence, and they'll do a specific movement that is like ringing the bell.

Then when you need to feel that movement, they do that confidence. It is it's like a superpower out there, like a superpower.

Okay. So that's something they might do as part of a pre face off routine after a goal is they're getting set for the next drop. Like, how is that is those types of routines part of part of what you would have goalies work on, say, this summer, as I said, to get ready for next fall? Finding your routine, and then when do you use it on the ice?

Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. So so yeah.

And and part of what we we teach in the in our camps that we have coming up are our one day events, the goalie mindset powers. What we'll teach is a pre face off routine. And the reason for that is it's a checklist for goaltenders. And you think of it, what occupations have checklists, usually ones that are life or death, like a plane, a surgeon will have a check scuba divers, right? They'll have a checklist.

And so a checklist is designed so that you have that total consistency. And so we have the pre face off routine consists of getting to your ultimate hype level through a specific movement and then getting to your your 10 or 10 in confidence through your anchor. And then some type of signal that your that your focus, your flashlight is on your fly. And when I say flashlight, was actually first shared to me from John Stephenson. You know, he did this analogy of the flashlight and I've used it ever since.

Love it. It is so good. So so you basically imagine you're you're playing a game, it's pitch black out there. You can't see anything except you have a flashlight on your forehead. And so wherever you put that, that's going to get your focus and your energy.

So so as far as a pre face off routine, we have somewhere where we basically do a movement, and that is turning the flashlight on. Some guys will will touch their hand to their helmet. Some guys will put their gloves together, but it's like turn the switch of the flashlight on. And now they're fully dialed in, fully dialed in. And and then going from there, from from that part is what do you do now?

Now you're fully dialed in, the pucks about to be dropped. What do you do? Right? And I don't work again. Tell a little story here.

I don't work with them anymore. It's his loss that I don't work with them anymore. Stuart Skinner. I worked them for three, four years. And basically, I remember him saying, Pete, you know, before puck is dropped, I'm kind of getting these negative images in my head and and, you know, what what what should I do?

What should I do? I get these negative feelings, these negative images. I'm getting nervous that I'm going to screw up. And I said, okay, well, we got to be proactive. So basically came up with a system where I said, Stu, I go, what I want you to do for that puck is dropped, scan where the players are.

Right? So you know, so you're aware. And then run the movie. Run a few small movies of you making saves off the face off. That's it.

Simple. Goes back to the point. Shoots, you make a save. Guy off the face off shoots, you make the save. Just boom, boom, boom.

Not like a a big intense visualization because the more you do it, it's gonna become you're gonna get unconsciously competent at it. You're gonna do it naturally over time. At first, it's gonna feel forced, but after a while, it's gonna feel natural. So you basically scan where the players are, run the movie of making the saves, and now you are just fully dialed in. You're in the moment that puck has dropped, and that's when we flow into the next thing we teach is what's called the three mental zones.

Walk me through them, I guess, and how they relate to a pre face off routine. So part of the pre face off routine is you use the word flashlight. So getting focused, making sure your focus is in the right spot. Part of it is the anchors for confidence. You're combining those two?

Yes. Yes.

Okay. And then walk me through the three mental zones and how that ties into that routine.

Okay. Perfect. So so basically, as soon as you turn your flashlight on, you're now. And so there's there's three mental zones. So three, maybe I'll back it up a little bit.

I'll I'll I'll go mental zone one first. So mental zone one is based around the philosophy of the more powerful your downtime, the more powerful your uptime, the more powerful your downtime, the more powerful your uptime. So every time the whistle goes, you think of it. A lot of guys are thinking about what just happened. They're not in the moment.

They're not fully present. So when the whistle goes, the whole purpose is to take a little bit of time to rest, relax, revitalize, conserve your concentration calories. It's I'll have some guys that will say it's my spa time right now, Right? It's my time. I'm just resting, relaxing.

And to do that, they may take a drink of water, maybe feel the temperature change in their mouth. They might squirt the water bottle, but something where they're just fully in the moment. Now that amount of time that they're fully in the moment. It might only be five seconds. Depends on how, you know, because you think of the the breaks in between whistles.

Right? But that's mental zone one. Rest, relax, revitalize, treat it exactly the same. Whatever happened in the past is in the past. It is dust.

And then after that, that's when you do your when the pucks getting closer to being dropped, that's when you do your pre face off routine, get your hype, confidence, you turn your flashlight on, scan, run the movie, and now you're in mental zone two. As soon as you turn the flashlight on, you are fully dialed. You're now using all your concentration calories that you can. You're maxing out your concentration calories. Even if, let's say the plays in your end and your team has full control, you're a lot of guys will let up, they'll rest.

Uh-uh. When your team has full control in your end, you are dialed in, you're scanning for the threats, you're craving the turnovers, which brings in the athlete mindset, which we'll talk about in a bit because it kind of works together. And you're just dialed right in. And that is what's called mental zone two. So mental zone two is maximizing your concentration calories.

Whereas mental zone one is conserving them. And then there's one more mental zone, which is mental zone three, which is one that plays down the far end and your team has full control. You can do a little bit of eighty twenty, 80% resting, 20% aware of what's happening. So 80% resting, 20% aware of what's happening, ready to switch right back any time to mental zone two to dial it right in. And you just go back and forth and it flows.

Now, by doing that, and I know some people will argue with me, but but by doing that, there's no need to look at the clock because you think about it, you think about it for a goaltender, for a goaltender and can we we should we should we'll have a little discussion about this. I think it'd be really fun for the goalies to to to hear it. Basically, you think of it as a goalie's job is the same five minutes into a game. Halfway through or five minutes left in the game. It really doesn't change.

Now there's gonna be certain situations near the end of the game. Your team's down by one and you may need to get pulled and stuff like that, like for an extra attacker. You're gonna be aware of that anyways. Right? To me, they're they're you're you're gonna you're gonna but if you can just forget about the clock, forget about the time, and just be fully present in the moment.

Because really the only time that matters is right now and being fully present.

It's funny you mentioned the clock because we've heard different techniques, you know, break the period into segments and things like that. I remember Dylan Ferguson after he won the ECHL championship talking about working with you and not looking at the clock once during that championship game and and that it's something that he had struggled with.

Mhmm. It's it's hard to get there. Like, I remember when I played, I was told to break it down into five minute segments. But here's what happens. If you look at it like this, if you think let's really talk about focus, let's talk about focus and how to be fully, fully dialed in.

And a great example is if you can imagine it's summertime and there's some dry brush and it's a sunny day and you have a magnifying glass. And if you hold that magnifying glass still, you keep it focused still on the dry brush. Eventually, what's gonna start?

A fire.

You're gonna start a fire. If you move it a little bit, there is no fire. So you think of it. When a goalie is in the moment, in the zone, like, just totally dialed in in the flow state. They're not thinking at all.

They're just doing. Right? And they're just doing they're they're and their their focus is on the right things. So it's simply on you think of what really matters for a goalie, the puck and the play. That's it.

Really, nothing else really matters. The time has no relevance to that. It's just simply the puck in the play. And so if they can stay dialed in like that, that's when they, quote, unquote, catch on fire.

And part of that, as you said, the three different zones is recognizing when to turn it off.

Yes. When to turn it off. When to say, okay. Man, my arm's getting sore. I can put that magnifying glass down and rest for a little bit.

The more powerful your downtime, the more powerful your uptime.

Okay. And so yeah. Exactly. Because you because nobody can stay a 100% focused for a three hour game.

No. And and that's a problem. Some some guys actually, you know, we talked about some people will will will say when when when you ask that, you know, what do they want to get better at? Well, I want to be able to get better at staying dialed the full game. Well, that's where the three mental zones comes in because it'll allow you some downtime so you can be dialed when you need to be dialed.

And you're and you're you're you're totally focused on on the right things.

One of the things that well, there's a couple things that you mentioned as part of the three different levels that I wanna sort of revisit. Let's start actually with athlete mindset because that was another phrase that we heard heard from Caden as well. So that sort of, define for us. What is athlete mindset, and what is the opposite? What does it look like when when us as goalies aren't in the athlete mindset?

Okay. Okay. I'll I'll talk about that. And by the way, the reason I do what I do is because when I played, I was so messed up. I was in what's called the fan mindset when I played, and I was I was just a a wreck.

And so so here's how the athlete mindset works. It is, it's a superpower. It is a super and parents that are listening. You guys can apply this yourself as well too. It'll relieve stress from watching your, your goaltender play.

And so, so with the athlete mindset, it flips the script. You're basically thinking the opposite of a fan thinks. So, for example, back in the day, remember when I was playing in the Western Hockey League for they were the Victoria Cougars at the time. They're now in Prince George and our team would have the puck in our end and I'd be like, get it out. Get it out.

Get it out. I'd want them to get the puck out. So when I wanted to get the puck out, the images in my head are of the puck being out of the zone. So when it was turned over, there was a giveaway. I would actually be behind the play Because in my head, I was picturing the puck being out of the zone, and we walk in the picture we hold of ourselves.

So if I was in the athlete mindset, when our D would have the puck inside my head, I'd be in the moment, you know, fully aware scanning, looking where the players are and just thinking turn it over, turn it over, turn it over, turn it over. Right? Craving the turnover. So the opposite of what a fan thinks. So that would be that's number one.

That's number one. Another one is with the referees. And this is where I think a lot of coaches go on the fan mindset too, and they don't even know what they draw their players and they draw their team in. So our team takes it. So your team takes a penalty, you know, getting mad at the ref or getting mad at the player that takes a penalty.

the athlete mindset says, our team takes a penalty. Yes. It's my time to shine.

That's the fan mindset. Whereas the athlete mindset says, our team takes a penalty. Yes. It's my time to shine. Cause you think of it as a goaltender, you want to move up levels.

Right? You want to play in the leagues where the very, very best play. You want to play in leagues. You want to keep moving up. So to do that, you need some resistance, and the resistance is going to be when your team takes penalties.

So it's a great opportunity to shine, to shine. So when your team takes penalties, you absolutely love it. Right? In fact, I think it was Carson Bjarnason. He was was I think it was last year, the year.

Yeah, I think it was last year. Right? So we worked on the athlete mindset place for the Brandon Weekends. He's drafted by by Philly. And so he he told me that, you know, one of the refs gave his team a penalty.

I don't if they gave him two penalties or something like that. And he goes to the and he and he goes to the ref and he's like, oh, this thank you. This is awesome. And the ref looks at him. He's like, Barney, are you messing with me?

Right? He thought he was thought he was being sarcastic.

Helps us prepare for rather than thinking about all the negatives. Like I said, you you focus on it as a it maintains focus and allows you to view it as a positive. And you're in the you're you're thinking about positive reinforcement as opposed to negative.

Totally. And and, Kev, like, my my my main platform is we walk into the picture we hold of ourselves.

So controlling that picture matters.

Yes. Controlling that picture matters by craving the turnovers, by when the play's down the far end when the play's down the far end, you simply don't care what happens. In fact, you want the other goalie to be successful. Right? This is another key thing as far as this takes the athlete mindset to a higher level.

And I wanna know

We've all been there. Right? Like, we've they got Yeah. Goes down on the other end, tight game. You're like, oh, come on.

Let's get one here. Or you're up one. Let's get another one so I can be, you know, off the hook a little bit.

Yes. Yes. Yes. You want them to score or or the shootout at the end. You're watching your team go down and you want them to score.

But here's the problem. Here's the problem. And even this goes to the fact of, you know, there's two goalies on a team, and only one guy's gonna play. Right? Only one guy can play at a time.

And so how many times do we maybe want the other goalie on our team to screw up just a little bit when they're in so that we get the chance to go in. Right? So, but but here's here's here's a challenge with that, and this is taking it to a higher level is if if I want the other goalie on my team to screw up, my conscious mind knows it's him. But my subconscious mind does not know the difference. Right?

And so, so that's one of the big things we work with is your subconscious mind is a massive supercomputer and it moves towards the pictures you, you, you, you put in it. So if you're wanting the other goalie to screw up down the far end, if you're wanting your goalie partner screw up, your subconscious mind pictures that it's you. So you want basically and think of it, it's it's it's it brings you to a much higher level, a much more peaceful level if you simply want the other goalie down the far end to stop every puck. Right? You're you're wishing them the best, right?

It's it's it's it's a great feeling. You want your goalie part. See, I used to do that sometimes like when my clients would play, I'd be like, oh man, I want the other guy to screw up. Then I started started wishing the best of success to the other guys that they were playing against. And it's it's a much better feeling.

So that's some of the things that that we will go through. So it's basically the platform is you walk in the picture, you're holding yourself and your subconscious mind is so powerful and it is always open and always waiting for information. So we got to make sure we put the right information in there. That's going to serve you to help you get to where you want to go. Because, because that's supercomputing.

And this is once again, this is stuff they do not teach us at school, like nothing even close at school. It's simply conscious mind. They don't work with the subconscious mind, simply conscious mind. Right? So, so this works with the subconscious mind.

If you learn to put the right stuff in it, your your limits disappear. And what you can do becomes limitless, so to speak.

Well, you've used the phrase. So I'll ask where this fits because you've used phrase several times during this and during past appearances, didn't come up with the save instead of gave up a goal. And and I believe that also has to do with the images you're putting in your head.

Yes. Exactly. Exactly. And it's funny because I first saw this and and I don't I don't think he was saying it to because of the wording. I think he was saying it to take responsibility, but I saw an interview of Carey Price after a game.

And, basically, he wasn't too happy. They just lost a playoff game to Tampa. And, you know, the reporters sometimes sorry, Kev. You're a report reporter. No.

I'm just joking. No. But, you know, you're you're one of the good ones, a great one. You're a goalkeeper. But, you know

Good recovery, Pete.

You know, there are some reporters out there. You got to know them that just ask negative questions. Right? And so what was the question here? Oh, so they basically said what happened at first?

So that was the first actually was it was a pretty good question. And he said, well, our team went down the far end and we hit the post and they came back and I didn't come up with the save. And I heard that and I like, that is genius. Right? That that that was I didn't come up with the save.

I didn't come up with the save. Your subconscious mind still pictures you making the save. So you're getting better. Whereas if you say I got scored on.

I thought that is powerful language because the subconscious mind, even though we subconscious mind does not understand the word don't doesn't comprehend don't or didn't. So if you say to yourself, I didn't come up with a save. Your subconscious mind still pictures you making the save. So you're getting better. Whereas if you say I got scored on.

Boom. Like you picture that puck going past you and it basically puts a it's it staples in the negativity by saying that, right? So you always want to say, I need. So I heard Carey Price say that now. I thought the reason that that he said that was not because of the language, but he just wanted to take responsibility, which that's another key thing too.

Because if you say they scored on me. That almost takes you out of the equation a little bit. Whereas if you say I didn't come up with a save, you're still accepting responsibility. It doesn't mean it's your fault, but to get better, you gotta accept responsibility.

So language matters not just in terms of responsibility, but language matters in terms of the image it creates in our head and wanting to keep those, as you said, positive as opposed to negative.

Yes. Yes. Yes. And then as the interview went on, then this is this. This goes back to that that this was a negative reporter.

He at the end, he's like, he goes, Carey, Carey, Carey sees him and he kind of bolts. He's like, I don't want to answer this question. He knows it was gonna be a negative question. Right? And but but the guy still gets it out.

Just as Carey Price is leaving the interview, and he says, Carey, Carey, Carey, do you think you could've stopped that puck? Right? So that's what he asked him. He said, do you think you're gonna stop that puck? And so Carey leans back in.

He says, yeah. I think. And he corrects himself. He says, I think. He says, I feel like I can stop every puck.

Like, I was like, woah. That was that was that was powerful.

Love it. Okay. Last one. Because you mentioned it as part of the face off routine, but we didn't I didn't I forgot to sort of circle back with you on it. Hype level.

What is hype level, and how do we achieve how do you know what's your optimum hype level, and then how do you make that a part of those routines?

Great question. So first of all, hype level is like a level of excitement that you play out on a scale of one to 10. Right? 10 is like bouncing off the walls and and one is sleeping. And I find a lot of younger goalies think they play their best at a really high hype level.

They'll say like a nine or a 10 or something like that. Whereas as they get older, I think they realize that if they're too hyped, if they're too excited, then it it interferes with them being able to read the play. Right. Letting their mind do the work, right? Reading the play, reading the play, reading the play.

And so so what I suggest you do is you go back to the three best games you had and you say, where was my hype level, my excitement level on a scale of one to 10? And you come up with that number. And then once you have it, you can monitor it. You can, you know, like right now, you say, what hype level am I at right now? Like right now, I'm asked myself, I'm probably at a six or a seven right now, I think.

What what are you at, Kev, right now? What would you say? You're a little lower hype level.

I'm a little lower. I'm a little chill today, so we're probably probably in the two or three right now. I'm I'm Yeah.

Yeah. You're you're calm. So yeah. Or or Matt Mattie or Hutch's son, Mattie. Right.

He says he keeps it low.

He, he says sack of potatoes. That's his, he really low hype level. Feel like a sack of potatoes. Boom. That's my hype level.

Right? So, so hype level is the level that, that you play at, and you can you can come up with a movement before the face off that gets you to your hype level. Like like like like Dylan Ferguson. And I know you showed that in an article on InGoal when he would do his preface off routine, he'd hit his post and push off. Because he's he was playing then at around an eight, I think, was his hype level, something like that.

Right? Whereas guys that played a lower hype level, they may just glide out slowly. They may just stand there.

So that that physical motion, that bang bang for him raises raises sort of that like, it's it is a feeling. It is a physical sort of Yes. Iteration.

Yeah. Yeah. Like, going back to the days, remember, like, the the Ron Hextall back in the day? He would hit his post, like, five times each and stuff. I'm sure he must have played it like a nine or a ten.

If it goes to eleven, he was there.

He was there. Yeah. Exactly.

Okay. Hey. Listen, Pete. This has been great. I've taken up more of your time than I said I would.

We will have some information on where people can learn more in the show notes, But if you wanna just walk us through what the summer looks like for you and I know we have the one day seminars, the one here in Vancouver, July 20, that people can also attend, virtually through us. We'll be broadcasting it live, and they'll be able to interact. But for anybody that doesn't want to wait for a one day seminar, there are there opportunities sort of hop on board and work with you on a daily basis now.

Yeah. Yeah. People can reach out. My website's petefry.net, petefry.net, and you'll you'll see the opportunities on there. I do work with clients over Zoom and we are also I'm also certifying some of my longer term clients to become certified coaches as we grow, right?

Because the demand is getting bigger and bigger and bigger. And so that's an opportunity as well, too. But yeah, definitely, this will help you big time as far as your mental game goes. And then we have our seminar on it's what's the date again, Woody?

Well, Vancouver one July 20, but obviously people are listening to this across the country. So there's there's stops in Ottawa, Toronto. Is it Calgary as well?

Ottawa, Toronto, Calgary as well too. Yep. For sure. I'll be speaking for a day at all the Eli Wilson camps this summer too.

Ottawa, July 14, Toronto, July 16, Calgary, July 3 oh, sorry. Toronto July 6, Calgary July 13, Vancouver July 20, as well as the virtual on July 20. And like you said, all the camps that Eli Wilson, Goaltending in, here's a question for you. We have a parent segment, which I know you've been a part of. Do you ever work with parents?

Parents can come with their kids to these one day seminars. Can they not?

Well, you you know, we just I just did a seminar in Philly, and we we did a we did a first time I've done it in probably fifteen, twenty years. We did a fire walk where we walk I'm gonna get you on that, Kev, and then you're

gonna come. Yeah. Not chance.

Over hot coals.

You keep trying.

Okay. We we had some parents walk over it, and it was, yeah, it it was amazing. So I I I don't work with parents directly, but I will guide them on what to say as far as, like or what to think as far as the athlete mindset goes. And, you know, when I'm working with clients, the parents can reach out and chat with me and you know, because that that that will help the the success of the goaltender too.

And they are did we've had in the past that where they can come to the seminars. That hold true now too?

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. As long as there there there's space, the parents can attend. The parents can attend with their kids if they want. Sometimes, I think in Ottawa, we I think we are limited space wise, but I think we're fine in Vancouver.

I think we're fine in Calgary. I think we're fine in Toronto as well too.

Alright. More information will be in the show notes or check him out on his website. Pete Fry, thank you so much for spending the time with us and helping goalies around the world get better set for next season between the ears as well as between the pipes.

Woody, you're the master. It's always a pleasure to come on. You're gonna come over for a hike, and we'll eat some raw liver sometime soon.

Yeah. That and the fire walk. Three things ain't happening, Pete.

Okay. Great chatting.

Outro

I could listen to Pete forever, and I generally do when the interviews come up because I'll loop back and and listen to it two or three times just to absorb everything that that he's suggesting.

And you've been part of the virtual seminars with Pete as well too, haven't you?

Yeah. They're they're they're so fascinating. And and fascinating because I know so little about that area of just making yourself better that I I tend to want to or grab onto everything that he says.

It's funny he talked in there. Was it Skinner he mentioned thought said that he's a little bit crazy or I I can't remember who it was, but it came up in the interview and and that's something that I actually heard from my son the first time he worked with him. He's just like, Pete is kind of crazy but it actually works. So so it's it's great stuff and and just to let people know on that, virtual seminar, if you do join us as Daren has done in the past, not only are you in the room and get to see what's going on, but you can ask questions through, probably through Woody, who's our moderator in the past and he'll share them with Pete during the webinar. You even get to come on the ice with us because there's an on ice component to the seminar.

Woody's out there with a camera that we, make part of the feed so you can see what's going on. And we've even heard from a couple of parents that are doing the on ice portion at home with their kids, whether that's just in the living room on the carpet wearing their helmet, gloves, and stick, or maybe, you're lucky enough to have some of that, indoor plastic ice to work on as well. But lots of people are taking advantage of that full experience through the virtual seminar, which is pretty cool.

I was gonna say he can I listened to him right up until he tells me to eat raw liver, walk on fire, or go hike with bears in the woods, bare feet? Yeah. That's the crazy part.

Well, the the fire walking I've done, which is awesome, but, I'm not touching the liver. You fire walked? I did. It was probably about twenty five years ago, but it was the most powerful experience of my life, in terms of mindset stuff. It was just unbelievable.

I I saw Pete was doing it. I I just about checked out plane tickets to Philly so we could do it with him. But I would do it again.

Just so you know partner, that's a flight you're taking on your own.

Well, it was an interesting experience because we did, we did a couple of sort of trust exercises beforehand. One was that, you know, the classic fall off a ladder and people catch you and but there's a whole seminar to this that was more than an hour long before the fire walking that just got me to an incredible mental space. One of them, believe it or not, do not try this at home people, do not try this at home, was putting an arrow, pointed into that soft area in your neck and somebody's got the other end of it against a wooden board and suddenly you walk together and the arrow snaps and doesn't go through you. It's not one of those sharp pointy hunting arrows. Don't try this at home.

I used to have that arrow hung above my door just to remind me of the power of that day. But then we went out, for the actual fire walking experience and they say to you, do not do this if you have any doubts because you will get burned. And, and I think trying to reinforce the mental aspect of it all. And so I wasn't scared at all because I knew I wasn't doing it. They said, don't do it if you're scared.

So I wasn't scared because I wasn't doing it. And then a lady stepped up who did it, who had to be 75 years old at least and walked across it. And immediately I was like, well, if she can do it, I look like an idiot if I don't, so I'm doing it. That's pretty weak mind of me to do it that way. But I did and, and it worked and it was, It's an experience that twenty five years later is still with me, but I'm not eating raw liver.

It's not just It's not like a illusion? Like actually

No. Okay. So I'm also a physics teacher. Yeah. And it it works for physics reasons too.

So how hot? Really? Yeah. So if you, if you have an oven that's 450 degrees, would you stick your hand into the oven to get something? Would you be okay if you just stuck your hand in the oven, Daren?

For a little while.

For a little

while.

Yeah.

Yeah. Right? It's You can for a little bit. Would you touch the metal oven rack?

Right. No. Not on purpose.

But they're both the same temperature. The air in the oven and the metal oven rack are both the same temperature. One burns you and one doesn't and that's because of how quickly they can conduct that heat energy and it turns out that wood doesn't conduct heat energy very well. So if you move quickly across the coals, you're okay.

Yeah. So it's gotta be wood. If you do it with, like, if you were to light like a path of rocks on fire, you're getting burned.

I I think that's true. Although I've heard of people being being fire walkers across rocks too, so I don't even wanna

I don't even walk barefoot across rocks that aren't on fire for crying out loud. Give me some flip flops or I'm not doing it.

Yeah. We're both pretty soft.

Yeah. But I'm way too soft for this.

Anyway, it's all fascinating stuff. There was definitely a mental component to it because of how they presented it and, and all of the work that that these guys do, I think can have such a positive benefit.

After we're done, I'm walking straight to the kitchen barefoot, and I'm gonna do it.

If you really wanna have a powerful seminar, Pete should throw out the fire walking and should walk barefoot across Lego. Like, if he can do that, then you're good.

Lego would be far more torturous than fire.

Yep. Let's not give Pete any ideas for June 15 at TendyFest here, folks, because I don't know that we have the insurance to cover this, but I can see him showing up with a bunch of coals and a and a lighter.

Well, you know, he won't do that, but at this online seminar and at the in person one, you'll remember that he does get the goalies to break a block of wood, the sort of karate chop. It's kind of cool because they write what their vision is for the season and then they show that they can achieve anything they want by breaking through the wood.

I was talking to an American Hockey League head coach a couple of days ago via text and Lego walking on Lego came up and he said

That's funny. Was that his season?

Worst thing in the world. Yeah. Because my daughter bought some Lego and he's like, don't drop it on the floor. I'm like, oh, we've been down that path. He's like, big bin.

Get a big bin. So, that's awesome stuff. Anything, going on? I know that Woody's got a couple of assignments that, will be up in the web right away.

I'm gonna do a little roundup of all the goalies that we've had foot that are in the Eastern Conference and Western Conference final material we've had from them over the past number of years remind people that our archives are chock full of goalie goodness. We got the ProReads every week. Another fascinating one. I know the future is a little uncertain for Matt Murray right now. Comes off the hip surgery, gets back into a couple games in the American League, but a UFA this summer.

But there is no question about his ability to break down video and to think his way through the game. He's told us in the past, it's one of the reasons he's had the career he's had, which includes two Stanley Cup victories, and we've got another one with him online right now. It's a good five minutes on reading a two on one chance. So, you know, goalies, if you wanna learn how to read the game like the best in the world do, make sure you invest the time to listen to them tell you what they're looking for in these situations. And Matt does it as well as ever anyone, and that's up at ingoalmag.com right now.

You know how many people thought Matt Murray had been traded to Dallas This seems That's right. I I can count on a couple of hands. Like, there's probably eight, nine times when somebody said, Matt Murray's with Dallas? The other Matt Murray. Yeah.

It's funny how that it wasn't playing in Toronto and all of sudden pops up there and boom. Here you go. Hutch, great job setting the tone for us today with those wonderful, beautiful words about Woody.

Didn't Woody start it with all the wonderful, beautiful words?

You you you really got it going for us. And

Woody You're not being fair to Woody. You talk to him first as you always do, and that's okay. And then he had all those nice things to say about me, which is so wonderful. It made me feel great.

You know, hey, to this. I believe you. I think Woody was just trying to say the right thing. You were from the heart. That's why I went to you first.

Listen. I haven't been in the we haven't had a game seven in the playoffs since 2011, so that automatically reminded me of tire pumps. I felt I needed to give one.

That makes me Tim Thomas, I'll take that.

Giddy up with that headphone over top of your hoodie, working with Woody. There we go. Thanks, guys. You guys are awesome.

Thank you.

Thank you, Daren. Chat with you again. We'll be back with you next week. We'll see how far along the conference finals are, and we'll have a memorial cup update for you. Let's say, send it over to the people to continue your journey of this wonderful world of goaltending from InGoal Magazine. InGoal Radio, the podcast.